Scouser2 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 JJ and to a lesser degree Burke are the natural wingers in squad , Burke this season in many games has been used to cover right side of midfield leaving SoD to provide width. Fairly obvious that both Bright and Ndjoli are not naturally "wide men" as such .....though can be played there ...in second half yesterday Bright either by design or just following his own instincts was very loathe to even move wide to create space ....and often played in same area of the pitch as Stewart...... Games like yesterday we needed to stretch the opposition and JJ can provide that option 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Blatant cheating by Sinclair in the semi final. Cue outrage at his latest dive. Aye right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 16 minutes ago, NorfolkG said: Blatant cheating by Sinclair in the semi final. Cue outrage at his latest dive. Aye right. Was even worse than the one Collum gave them a pen for and worse than the JJ incident. Nothing will be said or done. As usual. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris1810 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 In the Rangers end today. Wonder if he got free tickets to go with his two match ban.... -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewarty66 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Chris1810 said: In the Rangers end today. Wonder if he got free tickets to go with his two match ban.... Here's hoping he goes home disappointed then.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Sadiq at it too now. Blatant cheating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie billies pal Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Chris1810 said: In the Rangers end today. Wonder if he got free tickets to go with his two match ban.... Bad news, SSC and Alex Dyer would have been at game too, maybe Taylor, Frizz as well, Boyd and Broadfoot? , Burke who knows 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 SSC and Dyer were their. In the posh seats though. I've no problem with him being there. I don’t want to know about it. Little things like that lack a bit of respect for our club and support IMO. If you want to go to games that’s fine. Don’t broadcast it everywhere. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG5 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 27 minutes ago, NorfolkG said: Sadiq at it too now. Blatant cheating. Because he got booked will he escape a diving ban ??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Just now, DG5 said: Because he got booked will he escape a diving ban ??? Yes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crocket Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 So how does this work.....JJ "dives" and wins a pen and we go on to win game. Then handed a 2 match ban because the ref never saw it. Sadiq dives to win penalty, ref books him for diving. Gers get beat. Does JJ get punished more because of the refs mistake? Horrible set up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris1810 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 42 minutes ago, killie billies pal said: Bad news, SSC and Alex Dyer would have been at game too, maybe Taylor, Frizz as well, Boyd and Broadfoot? , Burke who knows Bit of sarcasm...calm down petal -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Crocket said: So how does this work.....JJ "dives" and wins a pen and we go on to win game. Then handed a 2 match ban because the ref never saw it. Sadiq dives to win penalty, ref books him for diving. Gers get beat. Does JJ get punished more because of the refs mistake? Horrible set up No, he gets a two-match ban because Killie benefited from his deception, ie got a penalty kick and a goal from it. Edit - "No player shall cause a match official to make an incorrect Decision and/or support an error of judgment on the part of a match official by an act of simulation which results in that player’s team being awarded a penalty kick and/or an opponent being dismissed and/or any other substantial advantage being gained. 2 match mandatory suspension, effective immediately to the player’s Recognised Team’s next two matches, irrespective of competition." Edited October 28, 2018 by skygod 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) I hope the media will shame and blame Sadiq and Sinclair the way they did when it affected their pal McCann. Sadiq’s was much, much worse that Jones’s. Edited October 28, 2018 by NorfolkG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, NorfolkG said: I hope the media will shame and blame Sadiq and Sinclair the way they did when it affected their pal McCann. Sadiq’s was much, much worse that Jones’s. If anything is done I’ll eat my hat tbh. OF players play under different rules 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter's Heeder Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 hour ago, NorfolkG said: I hope the media will shame and blame Sadiq and Sinclair the way they did when it affected their pal McCann. Sadiq’s was much, much worse that Jones’s. Sadiq was booked at the time. Therefore, unless I'm mistaken, no retrospective action can be taken as the punishment was given. It's a mad rule, compounded by the fact you can get booked for diving twice in the one game and only serve a one match ban but "dive" once and don't get penalised at the time then it's 2 matches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, Dieter's Heeder said: Sadiq was booked at the time. Therefore, unless I'm mistaken, no retrospective action can be taken as the punishment was given. It's a mad rule, compounded by the fact you can get booked for diving twice in the one game and only serve a one match ban but "dive" once and don't get penalised at the time then it's 2 matches. In terms of the rules, nothing can be done, true. But the way many pundits, like David Tanner, as well as the Dundee manager and right back, went for Jones in a vitriolic way, I fully expect this cheat to be similarly pummelled. And pigs might fly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 hour ago, NorfolkG said: In terms of the rules, nothing can be done, true. Where is this rule, because I looked through the SFA Disciplinary Procedures and couldn't find it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, skygod said: Where is this rule, because I looked through the SFA Disciplinary Procedures and couldn't find it? I thought bookings were only changeable if referee says they made an error? My point is both Sadiq and Jones committed/were accused of the same offence. One is lambasted across the national sports media. The other gets booked and we all move on with hardly a mention. I don’t think it’s fair but that is the way the rules are set, I think. Edited October 29, 2018 by NorfolkG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 5 hours ago, NorfolkG said: My point is both Sadiq and Jones committed/were accused of the same offence. One is lambasted across the national sports media. The other gets booked and we all move on with hardly a mention. I don’t think it’s fair but that is the way the rules are set, I think. The players committed the same offence but the difference is that the referee spotted and dealt with Sadiq’s by issuing a caution. McLean didn't spot Jones’ and Killie were awarded a penalty kick. The SFA don’t want cheats to be seen to prosper so they impose a much heavier penalty on players who simulate and get away with it. You might say that it’s actually referee incompetence which they should be penalising but that’s not going to happens, publicly at least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz65 Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 33 minutes ago, skygod said: The players committed the same offence but the difference is that the referee spotted and dealt with Sadiq’s by issuing a caution. McLean didn't spot Jones’ and Killie were awarded a penalty kick. The SFA don’t want cheats to be seen to prosper so they impose a much heavier penalty on players who simulate and get away with it. You might say that it’s actually referee incompetence which they should be penalising but that’s not going to happens, publicly at least. Should the suspension not be for the next time the perpetrator plays against the side who were the victims? The way things stand, Dundee are doubly punished, once for the penalty and then from JJ not being able to play against their relegation rivals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 44 minutes ago, skygod said: The players committed the same offence but the difference is that the referee spotted and dealt with Sadiq’s by issuing a caution. McLean didn't spot Jones’ and Killie were awarded a penalty kick. The SFA don’t want cheats to be seen to prosper so they impose a much heavier penalty on players who simulate and get away with it. You might say that it’s actually referee incompetence which they should be penalising but that’s not going to happens, publicly at least. I get all that. And you’re right. What I am angry at is the way the media has hung Jones out to dry but so many have done similar or worse with a lot less cabbage-throwing. There has been a real inconsistency in Jones's treatment, in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 29 minutes ago, fraz65 said: Should the suspension not be for the next time the perpetrator plays against the side who were the victims? The way things stand, Dundee are doubly punished, once for the penalty and then from JJ not being able to play against their relegation rivals. Logic says that would make sense but I disagree for several reasons. The player could have moved on by the time the clubs next meet. If the suspension applied to his new club, that would be unfair on them. If he transferred to another country, he would escape punishment altogether. Also, there is a saying, “Justice delayed is justice denied”. Delaying the punishment would give the impression that no action was being taken. By the way, the present system of match suspension is infinitely superior to the old system of a number of days when, depending on the fixture list and the weather, a player could miss a lot of matches or none at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 hour ago, skygod said: The SFA don’t want cheats to be seen to prosper Why are Morelos or Ryan Christie allowed to enter a football park then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumack Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) It's Lustig that should be getting panned worse than any of them today though. Edited October 29, 2018 by stumack 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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