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Just now, skygod said:

Funnily enough, I was just about to post the guardian's piece on the game

Qatar have drawn criticism for naturalising players from outside the country, and Carreno’s 4-3-3 on Sunday afternoon featured five not born there – Amine Lecomte and Dame Traore, who are French, Mohammed Kasola, who grew up in Ghana, Majdi Siddiq, a left-sided midfielder who hailed from Saudia Arabia, and the attacker Mohammed Muntari, who is also Ghanian by birth. And Qatar’s goal-scorer, Karim Boudiaf, who struck a 20-yard curling shot past the Northern Ireland goalkeeper Michael McGovern, is French-born.

O’Neill is critical of the policy. “It’s not a good thing. I can understand why a country like Qatar has to take that route,” he said. “But the international game is the part of the game least affected by finance. If you go down the naturalisation route, where do you stop? International football could lose a bit of its identity.”

The manager denied there was any debate regarding whether Northern Ireland should take this match. “No, not from my point of view, I’m only looking at it from a football perspective,” he insisted. “When the game was offered to us it obviously gave us an opportunity to play in the UK, which was suitable given the preparation for Romania. Ultimately the plan was to play Wales on Thursday; that didn’t materialise and now we have the option to go and play in Dublin. The main driving factor was location and making sure the preparation was right.”

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7 hours ago, skygod said:

I'm pretty sure that this must be the first calendar year in which four Kilmarnock players - O'Donnell, Taylor, Findlay and Brophy - have been capped by Scotland.

 

I am sure you are correct. The previous most I can find in a calendar year was three on two occasions. The first being in 1892 when David McPherson in a 3-2 win over Ireland and James Campbell and James Orr in a 6-1 win against Wales. Then in 1908 William Agnew, James Mitchell and Bobby Templeton were all capped. They all played in a 5-0 victory over Ireland on the 14th of March 1908. Agnew also played in the 2-1 win over Wales the previous week. 

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7 hours ago, skygod said:

I'm pretty sure that this must be the first calendar year in which four Kilmarnock players - O'Donnell, Taylor, Findlay and Brophy - have been capped by Scotland.

 

I would say so. Even when we won the league it seemed that our players would only get 'capped' by the league, not the nationnal team. Even the game vs Wales at Rugby park that convinced the club to go full time only had one Killie player in it

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I think this is a definitive list of Scottish internationalists: 

Alexander (Sandy) Higgins (1)

Ire (H) 1885

John McPherson (1)

Wal (H) 1888

James Campbell (2)

Ire (H) 1891, Wal (H) 1892

David Murray McPherson (1)

Ire (A) 1892

James Orr (1)

Wal (H) 1892

John Johnstone (1)

Wal (H) 1894 [RP]

Robert Findlay (1)

Wal (H) 1898

George Anderson (1)

Ire (H) 1901

William Barbour Agnew (3)

 

Ire (H) 1907, Wal (H) & Ire (A) 1908

James Mitchell (3)

 

Ire (A) 1908, Wal (H) & Ire (A) 1910

Robert Bryson Templeton (6)     

Ire (A) 1908, Ire (A) & Eng (H) 1910, Ire (A) & Eng (H) 1912, Wal (A) 1913

 

Joseph Nibloe (11)

Eng (H), Nor (A), Ned (A) & Wal (A) 1929, RoI (A), Eng (H), Aus (A), Ita (A) &

Swi (A) 1931, Eng (A) & Fra (A) 1932

Hugh Auld Morton (2)

Ger (A) & Ned (A) 1929

Thomas McCall Smith (1)

Eng (A) 1934

George Robertson (1)

Cze (H) 1937

William Toner (2)            

Wal (A) & NI (H) 1958

Robert Campbell Forsyth (4)

Eng (H), Wal (A), Fin (H) & NI (H) 1964

John McGrory (3)

Fin (H) & NI (H) 1964, Por (H) 1966

Robert Ferguson (7)       

Wal (H) 1965, Eng (H), Ned (H), Por (H), Bra (H), Wal (A) & NI (H) 1966  

Thomas McLean (6)

Den (A) & Cyp (A) 1968, Wal (A) 1969, NI (A), Wal (H) 1970, Den (A) 1971

William Dickson (5)

NI (A), Wal (H) & Eng (H) 1970, Den (A) & USSR (A) 1971

Alistair Robert Hunter (2)

Per (H) & Yug (H) 1972

James Garven Stewart (1)

Chi (A) 1977

Alistair Murdoch McCoist (2)

Lit (A) & Est (H) 1998

Ian Durrant (9)

Est (H) & Far (H) 1998, Ger (A), Far (A), Cze (A), Bos (A) & Est (A) 1999,

Ned (A) & RoI (A) 2000

Gary Holt (2)

Lat (A) & Cro (A) 2000

Andrew McLaren (1)

Pol (A) 2001

Steven Naismith (1)                     

Far (A) 2007

Kevin Kyle (1)

Wal (A) 2009

Cameron Bell (1)

Far (H) 2010

Craig Bryson (1)

Far (H) 2010

Liam Kelly (1)

Lux (A) 2012

Stephen O'Donnell (11) 

Per (A), Mex (A), Bel (H), Alb (H), Isr (A), Por (H) 2018, San (A), Cyp (H), Bel (A),

Rus (H) & Bel (H) 2019

Eamonn Brophy (1)

Cyp (H) 2019

Greg Taylor (1)

Bel (A)  2019

Stuart Findlay (1)

San (H) 2019

 

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16 hours ago, skygod said:

I think this is a definitive list of Scottish internationalists: 

Alexander (Sandy) Higgins (1)

Ire (H) 1885

John McPherson (1)

Wal (H) 1888

James Campbell (2)

Ire (H) 1891, Wal (H) 1892

David Murray McPherson (1)

Ire (A) 1892

James Orr (1)

Wal (H) 1892

John Johnstone (1)

Wal (H) 1894 [RP]

Robert Findlay (1)

Wal (H) 1898

George Anderson (1)

Ire (H) 1901

William Barbour Agnew (3)

 

Ire (H) 1907, Wal (H) & Ire (A) 1908

James Mitchell (3)

 

Ire (A) 1908, Wal (H) & Ire (A) 1910

Robert Bryson Templeton (6)     

Ire (A) 1908, Ire (A) & Eng (H) 1910, Ire (A) & Eng (H) 1912, Wal (A) 1913

 

Joseph Nibloe (11)

Eng (H), Nor (A), Ned (A) & Wal (A) 1929, RoI (A), Eng (H), Aus (A), Ita (A) &

Swi (A) 1931, Eng (A) & Fra (A) 1932

Hugh Auld Morton (2)

Ger (A) & Ned (A) 1929

Thomas McCall Smith (1)

Eng (A) 1934

George Robertson (1)

Cze (H) 1937

William Toner (2)            

Wal (A) & NI (H) 1958

Robert Campbell Forsyth (4)

Eng (H), Wal (A), Fin (H) & NI (H) 1964

John McGrory (3)

Fin (H) & NI (H) 1964, Por (H) 1966

Robert Ferguson (7)       

Wal (H) 1965, Eng (H), Ned (H), Por (H), Bra (H), Wal (A) & NI (H) 1966  

Thomas McLean (6)

Den (A) & Cyp (A) 1968, Wal (A) 1969, NI (A), Wal (H) 1970, Den (A) 1971

William Dickson (5)

NI (A), Wal (H) & Eng (H) 1970, Den (A) & USSR (A) 1971

Alistair Robert Hunter (2)

Per (H) & Yug (H) 1972

James Garven Stewart (1)

Chi (A) 1977

Alistair Murdoch McCoist (2)

Lit (A) & Est (H) 1998

Ian Durrant (8)

Est (H) & Far (H) 1998, Ger (A), Far (A), Cze (A) & Bos (A) 1999, Ned (A) & RoI (A) 2000

Gary Holt (2)

Lat (A) & Cro (A) 2000

Andrew McLaren (1)

Pol (A) 2001

Steven Naismith (1)                     

Far (A) 2007

Kevin Kyle (1)

Wal (A) 2009

Cameron Bell (1)

Far (H) 2010

Craig Bryson (1)

Far (H) 2010

Liam Kelly (1)

Lux (A) 2012

Stephen O'Donnell (11) 

Per (A), Mex (A), Bel (H), Alb (H), Isr (A), Por (H) 2018, San (A), Cyp (H), Bel (A),

Rus (H) & Bel (H) 2019

Eamonn Brophy (1)

Cyp (H) 2019

Greg Taylor (1)

Bel (A)  2019

Stuart Findlay (1)

San (H) 2019

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20 minutes ago, skygod said:


Quite a feat to have equalled the Scotland cap records at two provincial clubs, especially as he didn’t have a single cap until May 2018.

I doff my...er, cap to him! 

 

Aye, fair play to him, he's done well for a player with obvious limitations. 

Suspect that when he left us, he wouldn't have expected it to be to a club such as Motherwell. Steve Clarke obviously a big influence too, not sure he would have benefitted as much under a different manager. 

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1 hour ago, funky monkey said:

Aye, fair play to him, he's done well for a player with obvious limitations. 

Suspect that when he left us, he wouldn't have expected it to be to a club such as Motherwell. Steve Clarke obviously a big influence too, not sure he would have benefitted as much under a different manager. 

Always been an admirer of O'Donnell and I'm not so sure that his limitations are that obvious, if they were he would have been well found out on the international stage by now. I have no doubt that Paterson will move on and replace him but it really pleases me when he goes onto the park in a Scotland jersey and performs well, as he has been vilified by the press and a large number of Scotland fans.

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A number of Killie players have represented Scotland in unofficial matches, for which caps weren't awarded.

No statistics are affected but it's an interesting postscript.

Hugh Auld Morton         East Norway XI (A) 1929


Thomas McCall Smith   Eastern US,
                                       Toronto All-Stars,
                                        Western FA All-Stars, 
                                        Illinois All-Stars,
                                        Vancouver All-Stars, 
                                        Eastern Canada All-Stars,                                                                Eastern US (American Soccer League)
                                        All-Stars (A)1935                                                                              
                                                                                                 
Douglas Haig McEvoy   Michigan All-Stars,
                                       St Louis All-Stars,
                                       Alberta All-Stars, 
                                       Vancouver All-Stars,                                                                         British Columbia All-Stars,
                                       Manitoba All-Stars
                                       Ontario All-Stars (A)                    ,                                                     1939             
                                       

Francis Mennie               Belgium, Flanders (A) 1945
                                         As Scottish Services XI

Robert Ferguson            Leicester City (A) 1966 Testimonial for
                                        Alex Dowdells

John McGrory                Australia x 2, New Zealand U23,
                                        Auckland XI,
                                        Vancouver All-Stars,                                                                          Canada Olympic (A)
                                        1967                           

Thomas McLean            As above, except New Zealand U23
                                        Rangers/ Celtic Select 1971 Ibrox                                                     Disaster benefit match

James Garven Stewart      Highland League Select 1978

David Alexander Provan    Highland League Select 1978

Paul Clarke                         Highland League Select 1978

 

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Under-23 internationals were played between 1955 and 1976, when they were replaced by U21.

These are the Killie players who were capped at that level:

5 - Gordon Smith and Jim Stewart
3 - Andy King and Jackie McGrory
2 - Tommy McLean and Alistair Hunter
1 - Bobby Kennedy, Ronnie Hamilton, Billy Dickson and Hugh Brown

King, McGrory and Hamilton all played in a 3-0 win over Wales at RP in 1964.

I assume this photo, taken at Shawfield, was after their selection was announced.
 

king mcgrory hamilton.jpg

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Scotland B Internationals:

3 - Peter Canero, Gary McDonald
2 - Kris Boyd, Tom Brown, Gordon Greer, Steven Naismith, Paul Wright
1 -  Alan Combe, James Fowler, Garry Hay, Shaun McSkimming, Andy Millen, Mark Reiily, Greg Shields

 

On 6/12/2019 at 11:21 PM, skygod said:

The only B internationals played at RP were in 2005 against Poland (2-0) and 2007 against Finland (2-2).

Hay, Greer, Boyd and McDonald played against Poland and Combe was an unused (I think) substitute.

Combe did, in fact, play in the match against Poland at RP as a substitute.

 

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Scottish League internationals:

Six -

Tommy McLean   League of Ireland 1966 & 1970,
                              Irish League 1967,
                              English League 1969, 1970 &                                                            1971                                 

Five -

Willie Toner           Irish League 1958 & 1960,
                              League of Ireland 1958 &
                              1960,
                               Football League 1958

Three -

Bertie Black           Irish League & League of Ireland 1958,
                                Italian League 1961                     
Billy Dickson          English League 1970 & 1971,
                               League of Ireland 1971
Jim Stewart           English League 1974 & 1976,
                               Italy B 1978
Bobby Templeton  Irish League 1909,
                                League of Ireland & Southern
                                League 1910

Two -

William Agnew         English League 1907 & 1908
George Anderson    Irish League 1901, English League 1902
Paul Clarke              Italy B 1978, League of Ireland 1980
Bobby Ferguson      English League 1966 & 1967
Campbell Forsyth    English League 1964 & 1965
Joe Nibloe                Irish League & English League 1929

One -

Andy Armour                Irish League 1909
Frank Beattie                League of Ireland 1961
Andy Cunningham       English League 1912, Irish League 1913
Willie Culley                  English League 1919
Ian Gibson                    League of Ireland 1980
John Graham                Irish League 1901
George Halley               English League 1910
Tom Hamilton                Irish League 1921
James Howie                 Irish League 1901
Alistair Hunter                English League 1972
James Maxwell Snr        English League 1907
James "Bud" Maxwell    Irish League 1933
Alan McCulloch              League of Ireland 1980
Derrick McDicken          League of Ireland 1980
Sandy McLaughlan        Italian League 1963
Stuart McLean               League of Ireland 1980
James Mitchell               Irish League 1910
Hugh Auld Morton         English League 1928
Billy Muir                         English League 1960
David Provan                  Italy B 1978
Jim Richmond                 League of Ireland 1960
George Robertson          English League 1936
Tom Smith                       English League 1937

A number of matches were played in the early 1960s between Scottish League and Scotland selects. These were in essence trial matches before the annual match against England.

Kilmarnock players were involved, including some who were not otherwise recognised, such as Jackie McInally and Brien McIlroy.

 

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32 minutes ago, skygod said:

Scottish League internationals:

Six -

Tommy McLean   League of Ireland 1966 & 1970, Irish League 1967,
                              English League 1969, 1970 & 1971

Five -

Willie Toner           Irish League 1958 & 1960, League of Ireland 1958 &
                              1960, Football League 1958

Three -

Bertie Black           Irish League & League of Ireland 1958, Italian League
                               1961
Billy Dickson          English League 1970 & 1971, League of Ireland 1971
Jim Stewart           English League 1974 & 1976, Italy B 1978
Bobby Templeton  Irish League 1909, League of Ireland & Southern
                                League 1910

Two -

William Agnew         English League 1907 & 1908
George Anderson    Irish League 1901, English League 1902
Paul Clarke              Italy B 1978, League of Ireland 1980
Bobby Ferguson      English League 1966 & 1967
Campbell Forsyth    English League 1964 & 1965
Joe Nibloe                Irish League & English League 1929

One -

Andy Armour                Irish League 1909
Frank Beattie                League of Ireland 1961
Andy Cunningham       English League 1912, Irish League 1913
Willie Culley                  English League 1919
John Graham                Irish League 1901
George Halley               English League 1910
Tom Hamilton                Irish League 1921
James Howie                 Irish League 1901
Alistair Hunter                English League 1972
James Maxwell Snr        English League 1907
James "Bud" Maxwell    Irish League 1933
Alan McCulloch              League of Ireland 1980
Derrick McDicken          League of Ireland 1980
Sandy McLaughlan        Italian League 1963
Stuart McLean               League of Ireland 1980
James Mitchell               Irish League 1910
Hugh Auld Morton         English League 1928
Billy Muir                         English League 1960
David Provan                  Italy B 1978
Jim Richmond                 League of Ireland 1960
George Robertson          English League 1936
Tom Smith                       English League 1937

A number of matches were played in the early 1960s between Scottish League and Scotland selects. These were in essence trial matches before the annual match against England.

Kilmarnock players were involved, including some who were not otherwise recognised, such as Jackie McInally and Brien McIlroy.

Fair old representation against the League of Ireland in 1980 - almost an entire Killie defence including keeper! I assume Jim Cockburn was the left back who missed out?

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