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Nationalists all over social media, crowing at the Scotsman being in trouble. This is because the don't "stand up for Scotland" i.e the SNP. All this augurs well for a progressive, open, modern Scotland. They don't tolerate opposing views. They get more Trumpite everyday. They don't care about Scottish people, they only care about their own bigoted, narrow minded, parochial dogma and flags and kilts. I see Nicola Surgeon has expressed concern. Unfortunately, she has, like Trump, enabled a bunch of lunatics.

Sorry for a now rare intervention, as I rarely read this Nat Echo chamber thes days.

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@Mclean07 So you've logged onto the internet to post about the demise of print media?  The Scotsman sells less than 17,000 paid for copies a day man.  20 year ago, were you looking for a new or second hand motor, you'd have gone straight to the paper.  These days all that "classified ad" stuff, the revenue lifeblood of the newspaper industry, is on the internet.  Much as the coal lorry was superseded by folk having gas at home, life has quite simply moved onto the internet.

 I get The Herald every day, despite it's massively pro union political outlook and diminishing internal content.  Most days, upon getting the 'hard copy', I've already read the stories online the night before - therein lies the rub.  There's more effective, cheaper and efficient ways of delivery to the punter in 2018 than printing papers in the traditional method. 

Aside from The National,  it's obvious the rest of the papers appeal squarely to only 55% of the Scots population in their editorial outlook.  There's no-where you get balanced reporting on Scottish issues IMO - apart from google translate reading foreign newspapers. You should perhaps look at the £200m loan Johnson press took out a decade ago, just as it was obvious the paper industry was in terminal decline.  JP also have a near monopoly on local papers derived from this period of highly leveraged acquisition. As for the workers, I believe it's their pensions that are getting shafted by this pre packed administration deal.  

You can keep crying out SNP bad, or no doubt irocnically 'bigoted'.  But even that won't stop the world turning.  The Scotsman et al, made a decision to appeal to only just over half of the Scots population. Much as the 'big' 3 WM parties are in decline through their splitting hairs on the 55% of Scots they appeal to, the same is true of the newspaper industry.

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Hmmmm appears to do an SNP bad, paint Scots as bigots and yet predictably silent over the complete and utter contempt show to it's parliament and it's people by WM over brexit.

McLean you really are as much a disgrace as Mundell.

Your rant above could've been written as a self portrait with the target changes for Scotland and the SNP. 

Totally do dislike your own people.

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Coincidently, I listened to an interview with the late Kenneth Roy this morning. He was broadly sympathetic to the nationalist cause, but was depressed about their increasing intolerance and after he wrote a mildly critical column he was told he would be "dealt with" in an independent Scotland. He was also concerned that the Scottish Establishment had been cowed and were utterly uncritical of the Scottish Goverment. None of the above comments deal with the point that the nationalists are delighted that an opposing view is being silenced and fellow Scots may lose their jobs. Nationalism in Scotland is going the way all nationalism ends up, blind loyalty to a flag and suppress any dissent. I've not woken up. Like the rest of the opposing voices on here I'm sick and tired of the nationalist cabal. Look at the last couple of months and you'll see nobody is interested and you've achieved your goal, a nationalist echo chamber, with no dissenting voices and issues like Sturgeon's disgraceful "posing" for publicity shots at a concentration camp being totally ignored. So enjoy your opposition free zone. You've got what you wanted. 

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Never fear McLean, the Hootsman has been saved. You’ll still be able to read their wildly inaccurate articles and all it took was, predicted job losses,some staff being screwed out of their pensions and some creditors getting stiffed. And it all took less than a day to find a buyer and conclude the deal. Thankfully the majority of the management team will keep their jobs and benefit packages. Good old capitalism. 

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My original source was Jim Spence, an admirer of Killie, and enemy of Sevco, a nationalist, but a fair minded person with the balls to be a critical friend, unlike the cultists on here. 

PS Zorro thinks the SNP of John Swinney, Fergus Ewing, Andrew Wilson (of the Bankers Growth Commission report) and Iain Blackford aren't capitalists. Touching :) 

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Jim Spence was correct in everything he said. It is always unfortunate when people lose their jobs through no fault of their own and there should be more respect shown to employees who will be fearing for their jobs and the security of their pensions

Editorially the Scotman has been no friend to the independence movement, and while it has not degenerated to rag status like the Express or Mail it has still been guilty of the same dishonesty and misrepresentations that characterise much of the unionist media in Scotland.

This is my first post on here but I hardly think this politics part of the KFC fan site is a nationalist echo chamber - as in wider Scotland there seems to be differing views on here and robust exchanges.

I agree with you that echo chambers are are not helpful, which is one of the reasons why I don't buy the National. However some of the views expressed in the original post here are typical of postings often to be seen on SNP bad unionist Scottish Labour echo chambers. 

i don't see a nationalist movement wanting to shut down dissent - but there is clearly a vocal online few who have seen the demise of the Scotsman as one step closer to levelling the playing field where the rest of the print media is almostnuniversally anti-independence . 

Scotland is polarised. The SNP is not a cult . With ca 120 000 members and with tens of thousands more activists in the wider yes movements, you are always going to be able to highlight a few intemperate examples of online postings which suit the perpetuation of the unionist "vile cybernat" narrative. The hypocrisy of certain Labour and Conservative MSPs is breathtaking - never a peep to criticise the sewer of anti Nicola btl comments online and the often racist and xenophobic views of some of their (usually Tory) elected officials.

Scotland is pretty much split down the middle and debate on both sides needs to be conducted in a respectful and civilised manner. We all need to do better

 

 

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Dry yer eyes wee man... SNPBad again eh? Loads of it all over Twitter but if that's where you get all your news, that'll be all you're fed... same old tune from the old fiddler. 

Remember this...?

On 6/27/2016 at 2:43 PM, Mclean07 said:

I hope Nissan shuts in Sunderland . That would be funny.

I wonder if you're still laughing, but then the prejudiced in denial always try to reflect their true inclinations... 9_9

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5 hours ago, Cheviotstag said:

Jim Spence was correct in everything he said. It is always unfortunate when people lose their jobs through no fault of their own and there should be more respect shown to employees who will be fearing for their jobs and the security of their pensions

Editorially the Scotman has been no friend to the independence movement, and while it has not degenerated to rag status like the Express or Mail it has still been guilty of the same dishonesty and misrepresentations that characterise much of the unionist media in Scotland.

This is my first post on here but I hardly think this politics part of the KFC fan site is a nationalist echo chamber - as in wider Scotland there seems to be differing views on here and robust exchanges.

I agree with you that echo chambers are are not helpful, which is one of the reasons why I don't buy the National. However some of the views expressed in the original post here are typical of postings often to be seen on SNP bad unionist Scottish Labour echo chambers. 

i don't see a nationalist movement wanting to shut down dissent - but there is clearly a vocal online few who have seen the demise of the Scotsman as one step closer to levelling the playing field where the rest of the print media is almostnuniversally anti-independence . 

Scotland is polarised. The SNP is not a cult . With ca 120 000 members and with tens of thousands more activists in the wider yes movements, you are always going to be able to highlight a few intemperate examples of online postings which suit the perpetuation of the unionist "vile cybernat" narrative. The hypocrisy of certain Labour and Conservative MSPs is breathtaking - never a peep to criticise the sewer of anti Nicola btl comments online and the often racist and xenophobic views of some of their (usually Tory) elected officials.

Scotland is pretty much split down the middle and debate on both sides needs to be conducted in a respectful and civilised manner. We all need to do better

 

 

I don't know if you've noticed, but every other view is Nat zoomer style, ranging from not addressing the issue, to the the last one, i.e if you don't agree with our one party state, get out of your own country. You're own more considered view is welcome, but I'm afraid if you like through the recent history, the few voices against the nationalist cabal on here have disappeared. They are unquestioningly loyal to anything the Nats do. There is no room for dissent. I've not contributed much recently and don't intend to in future. Maybe you could be their critical friend. Best of luck with that. It's an absolute bore without any opposition, but they've got what they want. Cheers. 

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14 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

I don't know if you've noticed, but every other view is Nat zoomer style, ranging from not addressing the issue, to the the last one, i.e if you don't agree with our one party state, get out of your own country. You're own more considered view is welcome, but I'm afraid if you like through the recent history, the few voices against the nationalist cabal on here have disappeared. They are unquestioningly loyal to anything the Nats do. There is no room for dissent. I've not contributed much recently and don't intend to in future. Maybe you could be their critical friend. Best of luck with that. It's an absolute bore without any opposition, but they've got what they want. Cheers. 

You remind me of the Labour Party in Scotland - blaming anyone and everyone for your demise, a mess of contradictions and Ill-thought-out views and with a diminishing band of weary supporters. 

You bleat about intolerant behaviour while demonstrating complete intolerance towards Scottish independence and it’s supporters. You want anyone who doesn’t think like you punished; whether that’s through job losses, financial hardship or your more odious wish that Scotland should suffer a plague of immigrants to teach us a lesson*.  And we don’t have to scratch the surface very deep to find your prejudices. What was it you called Patrick Harvey again? Maybe you should read the proverb about people in glass houses...

 

* Only someone who supports a party with designs to put “controls on immigration”, would think more immigrants coming to Scotland was a punishment. Especially when they’re well aware we need to grow the population to support old unionist fools in their dotage. 

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5 minutes ago, Zorro said:

You remind me of the Labour Party in Scotland - blaming anyone and everyone for your demise, a mess of contradictions and Ill-thought-out views and with a diminishing band of weary supporters. 

You bleat about intolerant behaviour while demonstrating complete intolerance towards Scottish independence and it’s supporters. You want anyone who doesn’t think like you punished; whether that’s through job losses, financial hardship or your more odious wish that Scotland should suffer a plague of immigrants to teach us a lesson*.  And we don’t have to scratch the surface very deep to find your prejudices. What was it you called Patrick Harvey again? Maybe you should read the proverb about people in glass houses...

 

* Only someone who supports a party with designs to put “controls on immigration”, would think more immigrants coming to Scotland was a punishment. Especially when they’re well aware we need to grow the population to support old unionist fools in their dotage. 

Nice try. I know Scotland would need more immigrants and would welcome then. Check my posts. However, you are deluded in the extreme if you think a large proportion of Scots wouldn't have issues. (Imagine describing people as a plague, by the way). We're no different to any other country, and you live in a little bubble if you're not aware of that. The response to anti Muslim garbage on social media alone will give you a clue. A large number of Nats I know think independence is actually a means to keeping Scotland "Scoattish". You overestimate their sophistication. Your comments about Patrick Harvie are also a fabrication. I compared him to a public school lackey, known in public schools as a fag. You're twisting the meaning and you know it. But look, I really don't care. I know I've consistently spoken up against injustice my whole life, often when it was very difficult to do so, and, as Krankie would say, I don't need lessons from you. Politics is a game to you, trying to show how oh so smart you are. I would love to challenge you face to face one day on your lies, but suspect you'd run a mile. Now go and see who else you can annoy, Mr Aren't I So Clever. 

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1 hour ago, Mclean07 said:

I don't know if you've noticed, but every other view is Nat zoomer style, ranging from not addressing the issue, to the the last one, i.e if you don't agree with our one party state, get out of your own country. You're own more considered view is welcome, but I'm afraid if you like through the recent history, the few voices against the nationalist cabal on here have disappeared. They are unquestioningly loyal to anything the Nats do. There is no room for dissent. I've not contributed much recently and don't intend to in future. Maybe you could be their critical friend. Best of luck with that. It's an absolute bore without any opposition, but they've got what they want. Cheers. 

f**kin hell, cry into your pillow a bit more!!

You made the subject about "opposing views'' then don't like the replies. Tough titty.

Everyone is free or not to post whatever they want, not what YOU want

Get over yersel wee man.

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34 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

Note to self. Stay off this nationalist cesspit. Don't be tempted. Get out the popcorn and watch from the sidelines as their dream fades and dies :12:

You can only dream you horrible little britnat.   When we get independence I will enjoy the sound ofbyour head exploding immensely.

Your party is irrelevant and your mutterings reek of desperation and the worst kind of racism known, that of where u hate your own kind.

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2 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

Nice try. I know Scotland would need more immigrants and would welcome then. Check my posts. However, you are deluded in the extreme if you think a large proportion of Scots wouldn't have issues. (Imagine describing people as a plague, by the way). We're no different to any other country, and you live in a little bubble if you're not aware of that. The response to anti Muslim garbage on social media alone will give you a clue. A large number of Nats I know think independence is actually a means to keeping Scotland "Scoattish". You overestimate their sophistication. Your comments about Patrick Harvie are also a fabrication. I compared him to a public school lackey, known in public schools as a fag. You're twisting the meaning and you know it. But look, I really don't care. I know I've consistently spoken up against injustice my whole life, often when it was very difficult to do so, and, as Krankie would say, I don't need lessons from you. Politics is a game to you, trying to show how oh so smart you are. I would love to challenge you face to face one day on your lies, but suspect you'd run a mile. Now go and see who else you can annoy, Mr Aren't I So Clever. 

You support a party opposed to immigration, a leader who wants to close our borders to keep British jobs for British people, break long held links with Europe, anti-Semitic and racist to its core. Everything you claim to support is contradictory to the party you support. 

Patrick Harvey didn’t attend a public school, the discussion had nothing to do with schooling; trying to justify calling an openly gay man a fag for the reason you’re attempting to use is insulting to anyone with even a modicum of intelligence.

The thing about the anti-Muslim rhetoric on social media is that these are your friends, they are people you’ve chosen to follow, they are people you were drawn to.  They appear to share your values on immigration. I can’t control the company you keep nor will I accept that your friends are representative of a cross section of Scottish society. However, I don’t think you live in a bubble. I think you live in a festering boil of  hate, rage, and impotence over what’s happening to your beloved Labour. It’s only going to get worse. The barrel was scraped dry long ago at Labour HQ. The dearth of talent at the Scottish branch office is even worse.

Finally, on your attempts at keyboard hard man; laughable is the word which springs to mind. But if you’re desperate for a meet send me a pm. 

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13 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

Note to self. Stay off this nationalist cesspit. Don't be tempted. Get out the popcorn and watch from the sidelines as their dream fades and dies :12:

There is certainly a large majority of independence supporters on  killiefc.com which is totally unrepresentative of the population as a whole. And to be totally candid, while some are fair-minded with a fair degree of self awareness, some of them are less than rational. However I don't think the word "cesspit" is helpful if your objective is "re-education". 

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13 hours ago, Beaker71 said:

You can only dream you horrible little britnat.   When we get independence I will enjoy the sound ofbyour head exploding immensely.

Your party is irrelevant and your mutterings reek of desperation and the worst kind of racism known, that of where u hate your own kind.

So you are not tempted by the Jezza revolution? To be fair I think Wee Nicola has a much more workable, down to earth vision of a left of centre socialism that could work in a European context.

But she isn't half getting her ear nipped by the zealots who seem to think that the answer is just a series of endless referenda until they get the result they want. All the while the Westminster establishment is tearing itself apart before our very eyes. 

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13 hours ago, Zorro said:

You support a party opposed to immigration, a leader who wants to close our borders to keep British jobs for British people, break long held links with Europe, anti-Semitic and racist to its core. Everything you claim to support is contradictory to the party you support. 

Patrick Harvey didn’t attend a public school, the discussion had nothing to do with schooling; trying to justify calling an openly gay man a fag for the reason you’re attempting to use is insulting to anyone with even a modicum of intelligence.

The thing about the anti-Muslim rhetoric on social media is that these are your friends, they are people you’ve chosen to follow, they are people you were drawn to.  They appear to share your values on immigration. I can’t control the company you keep nor will I accept that your friends are representative of a cross section of Scottish society. However, I don’t think you live in a bubble. I think you live in a festering boil of  hate, rage, and impotence over what’s happening to your beloved Labour. It’s only going to get worse. The barrel was scraped dry long ago at Labour HQ. The dearth of talent at the Scottish branch office is even worse.

Finally, on your attempts at keyboard hard man; laughable is the word which springs to mind. But if you’re desperate for a meet send me a pm. 

Liar

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4 minutes ago, mathematics said:

Politics forum was nice for a wee while there. Some good debate. Shame folk have to spoil it with hate speech.

Don't worry, they'll have it to themselves again,now. They're nly happy with no opposition. Only trouble is certain subjects will never be raised or questioned. 

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