cammy_boy Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, capitalkillie said: Problem isn't with QR codes, they are used worldwide for ticket purposes. The problem lies with the police not dealing with folk who try to gain entry when the code has already been used. To let them overpower an exit is shambolic, shameful and dangerous. Match commander accountable here. Correct. Ive accidentally went through to security at Glasgow Airport with my wife's boarding pass. Meaning when she has scanned hers she couldn't get through. We had to prove that we both had a separate qr code and checked our id against that to let her through. The security Killie have hired haven't done their jobs when folk have rocked up trying to get in with a copied code. Any other venue security would have delt with the perpetrators and removed them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post garye Posted August 5, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 There's so many interlinked issues here that it's hard to know where to start, but since it's about fake tickets, let's start with that. Some of their fans obviously thought that they would try and scam their way in and produced fake tickets. This led to queues outside the turnstiles. This led to demands that a gate be opened and eventually Ranger supporters inside the stadium pushing stewards out of the way to allow the crowd outside to come in. Let's get this straight here, this is an EXTREMELY dangerous precedent. How many additional people were inside the Chadwick stand for the duration of the game? Was the stand unsafe? Given that this has happened once do we really think that it won't happen again? Let's see. Rangers fans routinely sing bigoted and sectarian songs and nothing effective is ever done. Rangers fans routinely invade pitches and nothing effective is ever done. Rangers fans were involved in several missile throwing incidents last season and nothing effective was done. Rangers fans routinely stand in seated areas unchallenged - meaning any overcrowding is difficult to assess - and nothing effective is ever done. Rangers fans have now started producing fake tickets and have learned that when an issue occurs with fans queuing at turnstiles they can shove stewards out of the way and allow an uncontrolled number of fans inside a stadium. Do we think anything will be done? See above. Let's be clear here. Rangers supporters - a significant number of them - have an ingrained culture of lawlessness and anti-social behaviour rooted in the belief that because they travel in large numbers this will go unchallenged. Part of the issue is that this is - in effect - true, thus re-enforcing their belief. As was witnessed yesterday, Rangers fans are effectively out of any meaningful control. We know that there will be no effective response from either the Football or the legal authorities because there never is. What is plainly obvious however is that somebody, somewhere is going to be badly injured or killed because of the behaviour of Rangers supporters and the ongoing inaction of the Football and the legal authorities. And chances are when it happens they will claim it couldn't have been predicted. Despite the seeds being sown over successive seasons as listed above and despite it being entirely predictable. My only disclaimer to this post is that it could apply equally to Celtic fans as well. 23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceMonkeyMcD Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 There should be a clear disclaimer that QR codes are for single use only and the away clubs should be making this clear to their fans when purchasing. Once we start knocking them back they’ll get the message. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme S Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, SpaceMonkeyMcD said: There should be a clear disclaimer that QR codes are for single use only and the away clubs should be making this clear to their fans when purchasing. Once we start knocking them back they’ll get the message. Of course we did knock them back but they simply forced the gate to be opened. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillieDIV Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) Surely after that gate was forced open and an unidentified number of people surged through the match should have been abandoned? There's no way anyone could have known how many people were in that stand. Edited August 5, 2019 by KillieDIV 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, SpaceMonkeyMcD said: There should be a clear disclaimer that QR codes are for single use only and the away clubs should be making this clear to their fans when purchasing. Once we start knocking them back they’ll get the message. Anyone with a brain would know this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumack Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Just now, Squirrelhumper said: Anyone with a brain would know this. Yeah i'm seeing where that idea falls down 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 39 minutes ago, cammy_boy said: But they weren't let in. They pushed a steward out the way are opened the gates. I cant beleive you think this was a plan. In fact id go as far as to say you are as thick as them if you really believe what you are saying. You can see exactly what happened in that video. What allegedly happened yesterday is that people entered the ground without valid means of entry. Did this happen when paper tickets were issued? Not that I am aware of, not even when they came to RP in a league decider In my opinion there was a view from some of their fans that there would be a possible opportunity to get into ground without a valid means of entry either through intimidation/force probably on the back of a claim that they were holding a valid QR code - something that is much more difficult for a steward or the police to verify there and then compared to the tradition paper ticket. If it wasnt the case then I would this then the only other possible scenarios are: a) people came to the ground late and it was taking a while to get in so they took matters into their own hands or b) the new ticketing system did not work effectively and caused delays / problems. And by the way I would also say that I am very far from being thick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmazey Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 There could have been major injuries or worse with the collapse of the disabled supporters roof. Could this have been in anyway connected with the gate opening incident and fake tickets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 minute ago, historyman said: b) the new ticketing system did not work effectively and caused delays / problems. I think the ticketing system worked fine in that it stopped tickets already used being scanned again. Any delays were the fault of the Rangers fans with duplicate tickets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/crowd-rangers-fans-shown-pushing-18830285 Finally!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_killie Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 I must admit at the CQN game I was a bit surprised when the fella only took a phot of my "ticket" code. A phot wouldn't pick up it was a copy of someone elses ticket would it? (It wasn't as it happens!) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestersKtid Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/crowd-rangers-fans-shown-pushing-18830285 Finally!!!! Good that the footage is being used against them now but the article still says reason they were "stuck outside" was because the "turnstiles failed" not because the orc sum had forged tickets. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Just now, PrestersKtid said: Good that the footage is being used against them now but the article still says reason they were "stuck outside" was because the "turnstiles failed" not because the orc sum had forged tickets. That'll be soon rectified once Killie release a statement. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Shropshire_killie said: I must admit at the CQN game I was a bit surprised when the fella only took a phot of my "ticket" code. A phot wouldn't pick up it was a copy of someone elses ticket would it? (It wasn't as it happens!) It's not a photo - it scans the code. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Bob Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/crowd-rangers-fans-shown-pushing-18830285 Finally!!!! Still referring to a ‘ticketing access failure’ though as the cause of the queues. Hopefully we issue something quickly to clarify what actually happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_killie Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Just now, Squirrelhumper said: It's not a photo - it scans the code. Oh right! Fair enough! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PillieKie Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Shropshire_killie said: I must admit at the CQN game I was a bit surprised when the fella only took a phot of my "ticket" code. A phot wouldn't pick up it was a copy of someone elses ticket would it? (It wasn't as it happens!) Surely he scanned it? Most qr code scanners use a phones camera to "scan" the code, this is the system they were using yesterday also. It looks like they are taking a photo but it's actually scanning the code 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_killie Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Just now, PillieKie said: Surely he scanned it? Most qr code scanners use a phones camera to "scan" the code, this is the system they were using yesterday also. It looks like they are taking a photo but it's actually scanning the code Yeah Squirrelhumper said same. I'm no v up to speed with these new technologies 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammy_boy Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, historyman said: What allegedly happened yesterday is that people entered the ground without valid means of entry. Did this happen when paper tickets were issued? Not that I am aware of, not even when they came to RP in a league decider In my opinion there was a view from some of their fans that there would be a possible opportunity to get into ground without a valid means of entry either through intimidation/force probably on the back of a claim that they were holding a valid QR code - something that is much more difficult for a steward or the police to verify there and then compared to the tradition paper ticket. If it wasnt the case then I would this then the only other possible scenarios are: a) people came to the ground late and it was taking a while to get in so they took matters into their own hands or b) the new ticketing system did not work effectively and caused delays / problems. And by the way I would also say that I am very far from being thick. Just because it didnt happen with a paper ticket syesem doesn't mean that tge new system is the problem. Huns wrongly thought it would be easy to copy and reuse qr codes. Opportunisic and aggressive behaviour led to gates being opened and rushed. At which point the game should have been postponed delayed whilst the fans responsible were delt with. Responsibility lies purly with those wgo carried said acts out and whith those who continually whitewash and allow such behaviour to go unpunished. This is just another manifestation of wildly bad behaviour by an entitled and moly coddled group of pretty nasty people. Everytime we play them they find another way of acting atrociously no matter what new measures the club put in place. Without adequate punishment this will continue. Im sorry about the thick comment and I retract that. But to place any blame for this on anything (i.e the ticketing system not working) other than bad behaviour and subsequent poor policing is just wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy123 Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Squirrelhumper said: Yes Games I've been to in england you need to scan the actual ticket and not a barcode on your phone. Might be different at different grounds tho. that was elland rd n Wembley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, andy123 said: Games I've been to in england you need to scan the actual ticket and not a barcode on your phone. Might be different at different grounds tho. that was elland rd n Wembley It's pretty commonplace now for mobile scans. I've used it at gigs, festivals etc. Fantastic convenience providing you're not daft enough to try and reuse a code and then become outraged when it doesn't work. Edited August 5, 2019 by Fletch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammy_boy Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, PrestersKtid said: Good that the footage is being used against them now but the article still says reason they were "stuck outside" was because the "turnstiles failed" not because the orc sum had forged tickets. We have to investigate but them without any info or evidence can just insinuate its a fault on our part. Once we have got the required evidence together id be suing them for liable as well as the stewarding company and police Scotland for failing in their duties to even attempt to keep the peace and maintaing an acceptable level of saftey at the ground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 There were 4 mounted police at Rugby Rd, 2 of them yards from the gate that was forced! They had a perfect view of what was happening and they could have called for support for the stewards at the gate, while moving the fans away from the entrance. The fact that they did neither suggests that the horse’s intelligence was higher than that of the mounted police! 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 23 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/crowd-rangers-fans-shown-pushing-18830285 Finally!!!! Still incorrectly claiming a turnstile failure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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