piffer Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Do the turnstiles lock out when capacity is reach in each stand? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All the Wine Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/crowd-rangers-fans-shown-pushing-18830285 Finally!!!! Still claiming there was a crush outside tho which makes it read like they had to open the gates to get in or risk being injured. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillieBantam Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, All the Wine said: Still claiming there was a crush outside tho which makes it read like they had to open the gates to get in or risk being injured. In fairness looking at the video taken from behind the crowd if fans were pushing forward I can imagine people closer to the turnstiles and wall may well have been pushed up against it. baffling how the police let it get that bad in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme S Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, KillieBantam said: In fairness looking at the video taken from behind the crowd if fans were pushing forward I can imagine people closer to the turnstiles and wall may well have been pushed up against it. baffling how the police let it get that bad in the first place. There is congestion outside as opposed to a crush. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post piffer Posted August 5, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, KillieBantam said: In fairness looking at the video taken from behind the crowd if fans were pushing forward I can imagine people closer to the turnstiles and wall may well have been pushed up against it. baffling how the police let it get that bad in the first place. That’s got nothing to do with Killie though. That’s a bunch of f**king idiots who can’t queue properly. You don’t stand like that when your checking in at the airport or when your doing you shopping. An orderly single file queue and that does happen. Stewards shouldn’t have to show folk how to do that. The home support manage it no bother while waiting for the gates to open. Was it the same at the pie bars or the toilets. There are only one group to blame for events yesterday. The rangers support. It’s an absolute embarrassment that our clubs name and reputation will be dragged through the mud by the press and likely the football authorities in an effort to deflect from what a bunch of bigoted scumbags they actually are 23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasboag Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Really simple all this: - Its not fake tickets - There was no failure at the turnstiles The ticket works once - its not rocket science. You turn up at the gate and your ticket doesn't work and you are one of 2 things: 1) An idiot who has bought a ticket and then shared it 2) Someone trying to get in on a shared ticket Either way - jog on. The turnstiles are well protected, no fear for the operator (I don't think anyway) Any hassle, shut the whole turnstile down. As for the turnstile videos, there are 2 online. In one you can clearly see maybe a couple of hundred fans outside, being largely patient and waiting to get in. A few getting agitated. Absolutely 0% chance of a crush of any kind. Gates open, they all swarm in. Natural crows behaviour. The ones at the back probably even thought it was opened by staff. In the other you see absolute scumbags and thugs harassing the staff with Hillsborough bollocks and the likes and then physically forcing them out of the way to unlock the gate. I'd bet money that it was folk who were in already on the forwarded QR code/s that did this. Ban any fan from RP whose code was scanned more than once. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, piffer said: Do the turnstiles lock out when capacity is reach in each stand? It shouldn't have to. If 4500 one use QR tickets are sold there shouldn't ever be a situation where more than 4500 people try to use the turnstile. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) Celtic mouthpiece Tom English in his first suggestion, blaming KFC, with an afterthought comment about pitch invasion and inappropriate singing, plus ca change 'How many supporters are supposed to be in that stand and how many were actually in there? SPFL have questions to ask of Kilmarnock for their potentially dangerous (mis)handling of the crowds'.... Edited August 5, 2019 by Jedi2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barneyboy Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, dasboag said: Really simple all this: - Its not fake tickets - There was no failure at the turnstiles The ticket works once - its not rocket science. You turn up at the gate and your ticket doesn't work and you are one of 2 things: 1) An idiot who has bought a ticket and then shared it 2) Someone trying to get in on a shared ticket Ban any fan from RP whose code was scanned more than once. Agreed, should be easy to trace who originally bought the legit ticket and ban/fine or charge them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dotaman Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 minute ago, dasboag said: Ban any fan from RP whose code was scanned more than once. If this (rejected duplicate scan) data is recorded, there is no excuse for Rangers not to ban offenders from future tickets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, andy123 said: Games I've been to in england you need to scan the actual ticket and not a barcode on your phone. Might be different at different grounds tho. that was elland rd n Wembley I’ve entered the Nou Camp with a QR code on my phone. In fact here it is because I’m too lazy to delete anything Edited August 5, 2019 by Zorro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 32 minutes ago, cammy_boy said: Just because it didnt happen with a paper ticket syesem doesn't mean that tge new system is the problem. Huns wrongly thought it would be easy to copy and reuse qr codes. Opportunisic and aggressive behaviour led to gates being opened and rushed. At which point the game should have been postponed delayed whilst the fans responsible were delt with. Responsibility lies purly with those wgo carried said acts out and whith those who continually whitewash and allow such behaviour to go unpunished. This is just another manifestation of wildly bad behaviour by an entitled and moly coddled group of pretty nasty people. Everytime we play them they find another way of acting atrociously no matter what new measures the club put in place. Without adequate punishment this will continue. Im sorry about the thick comment and I retract that. But to place any blame for this on anything (i.e the ticketing system not working) other than bad behaviour and subsequent poor policing is just wrong. I dont disagree with you at all and was in no way condoning their behaviour as the fault lies 100% with them but I do think that their misplaced belief that the system could be abused was a key factor in what happened. The problem now is that in their eyes their behaviour was rewarded in that some of them without tickets got into the ground. Thats not really going to discourage them from attempting the same thing elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Could those using copied QR codes be charged with fraud? What's really concerning is that the Police would know that they forced open the gate and that their was an excess of fans. The fact they didn't take any action is alarming and could've lead to dangerous consequences. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 50 minutes ago, andy123 said: Games I've been to in england you need to scan the actual ticket and not a barcode on your phone. Might be different at different grounds tho. that was elland rd n Wembley I went to Millwall-Leeds and used barcode on my phone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser2 Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 there was long Q's for our home CQN nomads game close to Kick off ---- few annoyed fans but none who behaved in any abnormal manner -- Stewards were asked to keep folk in lines --- fans did the sensible thing and waited in different Q's not forwarding en masse or creating problems then again we scored numerous late goals last season -- and did not invade pitches - jump on roofs. or think its ok to run length of pitch to take selfies ....... along with the inhuman behaviour serious questions must also be asked of the Policing ----- and lack of action 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 41 minutes ago, Waverley said: There were 4 mounted police at Rugby Rd, 2 of them yards from the gate that was forced! They had a perfect view of what was happening and they could have called for support for the stewards at the gate, while moving the fans away from the entrance. The fact that they did neither suggests that the horse’s intelligence was higher than that of the mounted police! Mounted police do f**k all apart from leaving s**te everywhere. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shimmy Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 I know of guys who were there with NO ticket whatsoever and were chancing it. You only have to listen to the shouts as the come through the gate, not exactly the shouts of a crush victim. "Yasss, Get it up ye" and " thats what im talking aboot" Cleary mentioned. These fans are animals, I fear the worst also when celtic come to town. Also, What's the point in mounted police? They could easily have pushed fans back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undefined Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 I have total faith that all of the events that unfolded yesterday were not the fault of our club or supporters. They are complete scum. However, would it be a blessing in disguise if our club are (inexplicably!) punished for the events? If we are being held responsible for the misbehavior of opposition supporters, then the club will be forced to take further action. I would: 1) Reduce them to the absolute bare minimum allocation we can and offer to progressively increase their allocation in future games if the show that they can behave themselves (never offering more than the Chadwick of course). 2) Charge an absolutely scandalous amount of money to come and watch the game. I'm aware that there was/is a rule that stops clubs from charging away supporters more than home supporters for an equivalent view/matchday experience. However, it will quite clearly cost Kilmarnock more to police, steward, investigate a group of supporters who have a long history of unacceptable behavior than it does to police our Moffat Family Stand! Why shouldn't we be allowed to reflect this with different (extortionate!) ticket prices? 3) I appreciate doing anything in my first two points would result in more of the bigots making their way into the home ends, therefore I would ban anyone wearing Rangers/Celtic colours from entering the car park/hotel area of rugby park on matchdays. Enter/Exit the Chadwick stand via rugby road only. No access via dundonald road. No access to the area behind the main stand from rugby road. No access to Rugby road without a valid ticket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, cammy_boy said: Once we have got the required evidence together id be suing them for liable as well as the stewarding company and police Scotland for failing in their duties to even attempt to keep the peace and maintaing an acceptable level of saftey at the ground. The clues are in the names. Doesn't sound like much stewarding was taking place and there was absolutely no policing whatever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 14 minutes ago, david mcbeth said: That is just him trying to "balance things out" after he spent last night batting Molotov cocktails away from his front door for the comments he made yesterday. I assume he hasn’t seen the video of them illegally entering under the watch of the police. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Zorro said: I’ve entered the Nou Camp with a QR code on my phone. In fact here it is because I’m too lazy to delete anything Do you think that might work at Hamilton on Saturday? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lurker Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, historyman said: Do you think that might work at Hamilton on Saturday? Nou Chance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 58 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Mounted police do f**k all apart from leaving s**te everywhere. And so do the horses...................................... 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojike and Bod Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 I hope the club will be using the facts to respond to ill informed crap from the likes of Shields. We are taking a battering at the moment and time to create the siege mentality again. Time to get it out in the open about the fake tickets and Mutants chancing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aumgn Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 How do QR codes get checked when they’re just being photographed? Mine was certainly not scanned, the guy in the booth just took a photo of it. I’ve no clue how this kinda thing works but it seems if there’s no centralised database which is dynamically linked to photos then this would be an easy system to circumvent? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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