Travis Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, NorfolkG said: I agree that there is every chance that the cash boost associated with getting to Europe might well have been used up rewarding those who achieved it. That said, the wages of the first team players we still need to replace were fairly significant: Boyd, McAleny, Mulumbu and Bachmann in particular. I doubt we will be announcing a Serie A star but a Taouil and Pascali...you never know. It’s all about the scouting. Oh, wait. I know it’s a hard one to take, but a fair bit of the Boyd etc money is being spent on giving us another stand for Old Firm games. That plus no Euro windfall, work around stadium and, I hope, getting a few big names tied down at some point, means the pot isn’t going to be as big as people are bandying about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just now, Travis said: I know it’s a hard one to take, but a fair bit of the Boyd etc money is being spent on giving us another stand for Old Firm games. That plus no Euro windfall, work around stadium and, I hope, getting a few big names tied down at some point, means the pot isn’t going to be as big as people are bandying about. I think that’s a fair guess. And if it’s the case, I think the board should say so. People would be generally accepting, I think. BB did say the budget was up though - I think that was an error to be honest as it weakened our negotiating position. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, NorfolkG said: I think that’s a fair guess. And if it’s the case, I think the board should say so. People would be generally accepting, I think. BB did say the budget was up though - I think that was an error to be honest as it weakened our negotiating position. I think in retrospect ‘budget is up’ and ‘we have the best manager in the league’ will prove to be, if I’m being generous, slight missteps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Travis said: I think in retrospect ‘budget is up’ and ‘we have the best manager in the league’ will prove to be, if I’m being generous, slight missteps. Yup. Lessons learned I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, killiecross said: Bit leftfield but Cillian Sheridan? Still only 30 and was on fire (albeit 6 years ago) before he got injured then fell down the pecking order when Boyd came back. 6 foot 5 with pace could be an ideal foil for Brophy. Been to Cyprus, Poland and New Zealand and has a better goal average than half of the names mentioned on here. Currently playing in Israel. Worth a punt? No doubt the right offer would persuade him but he seems to be enjoying the travelling and sampling new leagues and cultures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, NorfolkG said: Yup. Lessons learned I think. And, to be fair, BB and co have earned the leeway to make a mistake or two. I hope that they’re a more open, reflective board that can learn from the post-Clarke problems. In retrospect ‘Bye bye Rangers’ and ‘Best chairman I’ve ever worked with’ didn’t really help much either. But main thing is learning from those messages, which set up unrealistic expectations and have been the root of the frustrations ever since. But, let’s face it, it’s still infinitely better than the previous relentless s**tshow of a chairman. Edited August 20, 2019 by Travis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz65 Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Travis said: I know it’s a hard one to take, but a fair bit of the Boyd etc money is being spent on giving us another stand for Old Firm games. That plus no Euro windfall, work around stadium and, I hope, getting a few big names tied down at some point, means the pot isn’t going to be as big as people are bandying about. I've said before that I think that BB has been a bit naive with the media. He's made a few statements that raised eyebrows and sounded like fan-pleasing gestures. Losing 18,000 Old Firm fans at £25 a ticket can't possibly be cost-neutral. There's also no Champions League money from Celtic and we're paying for both Donati and Dyer and an additional goalkeeping coach. Edited August 20, 2019 by fraz65 -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specs Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Does anybody know how much the new pitch cost? I know that the pitch has been a challenge in attracting players but has the pitch also brought financial implications which may have been overlooked and now affecting this transfer budget? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillieBus Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Maybe 'losing' 18,000 Old Firm fans might not be cost neutral but to the Kilmarnock fans that go it is as they say 'priceless'. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 42 minutes ago, KillieBus said: Maybe 'losing' 18,000 Old Firm fans might not be cost neutral but to the Kilmarnock fans that go it is as they say 'priceless'. Which is absolutely fine, and leads to an infinitely better match day experience. They don’t deserve any more tickets. And hell mend them. But let’s not be naive enough to assume it doesn’t come without a real-world coat, which will either be in new signings or contract renewals. Best to face these things with a degree of reality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoydsFace Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, Travis said: Which is absolutely fine, and leads to an infinitely better match day experience. They don’t deserve any more tickets. And hell mend them. But let’s not be naive enough to assume it doesn’t come without a real-world coat, which will either be in new signings or contract renewals. Best to face these things with a degree of reality. I would love it if BB came out and said that the decision to only give them one stand cost us X amount. It would put the onus, to some extent, back to us fans.......do you want this amount for signings or do you want RP to belong to us? Pretty sure the vast majority of us would sacrifice a signing or two for that. In terms of potentially realistic signings that I would like to see before the end of the window, my wish list would be probably only have one player who I could actually name on it - Stevie May. In addition to a couple of wide players however I don't have the knowledge of English/European lower leagues or reserve squads to actually name anyone else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Travis said: But main thing is learning from those messages, which set up unrealistic expectations and have been the root of the frustrations ever since. I don’t think beating Connah’s Quay was an unrealistic expectation! Exiting Europe without needing to get our passports out was a huge humiliation and downer at the start of the season. Two years ago, I took issue with people saying losing to Ayr in the first match had ruined the season. After all, we had still qualified from the group. As it was, I was right and we finished fifth. This time though, I think that result will have a longer-lasting impact on our season. It was the worst possible start for the manager and he needs to start getting points on the board quickly. After a couple of months I think we should be seeing the effects of his coaching. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigieboy Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Celtic defender Jack Hendry is reportedly a target for Kilmarnock 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specs Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, skygod said: After a couple of months I think we should be seeing the effects of his coaching. This is also the problem with potential new signings that it may take them a month or two to adapt to AA’s coaching methods. My worry is that for all this “who are we going to sign?” talk we have actually signed 5 players which is a lot in one transfer window. I know that 2 are previous loanees returning but I always feel it’s dangerous to make wholesale changes and introduce too many players in one window. I’m guessing we just need to make sure that we strike the balance and any future recruitment is right on the money. I’m also not saying that we don’t need to strengthen our attacking/creativity options before anyone slated me for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killie_Damo Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 I don’t think the budget this year is up, despite what BB said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casual observer Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Any club that relies on loan signings to improve the overall quality of the squad over quantity is going to expect a large turnover of players each season. We had at least 8 loanees at one stage or other of last season. Add them to retiring, released players, inevitably a big summer rebuild is required. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz65 Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, KillieBus said: Maybe 'losing' 18,000 Old Firm fans might not be cost neutral but to the Kilmarnock fans that go it is as they say 'priceless'. You have to then accept that this might mean not being able to afford a decent SPL striker. All of these decisions have trade-offs and we can't have everything. Personally, I think that we should have continued to take the Old Firm dollar but then I'm only watching on Killie TV. Edited August 21, 2019 by fraz65 -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 8 hours ago, skygod said: I don’t think beating Connah’s Quay was an unrealistic expectation! Exiting Europe without needing to get our passports out was a huge humiliation and downer at the start of the season. Of course you’ll acknowledge that I didn’t say that beating CQ was an unrealistic expectation. I think the post-Clarke euphoria around having the best manager in the league and more money to spend was the root of raising expectations amongst fans. You can see from the type of player people are talking about that they were set up to expect a slightly different level, which is unrealistic given the amount of income we generate as a club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojike and Bod Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 8 hours ago, Killie_Damo said: I don’t think the budget this year is up, despite what BB said. Losing to Nomads possibly put a dent in it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 8 hours ago, skygod said: I don’t think beating Connah’s Quay was an unrealistic expectation! Exiting Europe without needing to get our passports out was a huge humiliation and downer at the start of the season. Two years ago, I took issue with people saying losing to Ayr in the first match had ruined the season. After all, we had still qualified from the group. As it was, I was right and we finished fifth. This time though, I think that result will have a longer-lasting impact on our season. It was the worst possible start for the manager and he needs to start getting points on the board quickly. After a couple of months I think we should be seeing the effects of his coaching. Agreed - and the season only turned into a success two years ago because we had a change of manager. Once a full round of league fixtures have been played we shoyld have an idea of how things are going. The best I can see for us is challenging in and around 6th and if thats the case then I will be happy enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlies PaPa Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 An attacking mid fielder who has stated that he hopes SC still has him in his plans, would Graham Dorrans be worth a punt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewarty66 Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Charlies PaPa said: An attacking mid fielder who has stated that he hopes SC still has him in his plans, would Graham Dorrans be worth a punt. Surprised no one has snapped him up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizza_89 Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 10 hours ago, Travis said: In retrospect ‘Bye bye Rangers’ and ‘Best chairman I’ve ever worked with’ didn’t really help much either. "Bye Bye Rangers" should never be spoken of as anything other than the perfect words at the perfect time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammy_boy Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Mojike and Bod said: Losing to Nomads possibly put a dent in it. Doubt that. The talk of increased budget came before the draw was even made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 52 minutes ago, historyman said: Agreed - and the season only turned into a success two years ago because we had a change of manager. That’s right, but a season is a long time with lots of twists and turns which can affect fortunes positively and negatively. I comfort myself with the knowledge that May is a long way off. It just doesn’t help when you enter the stage with a pratfall! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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