killie billies pal Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 22 minutes ago, Candygram for mongo said: Absolutely. If anyone on here thinks he's not been missed then they don't know what they're talking about IMO. Perhaps a wee watch of both Connahs Quays games will put you right, SC got the best of what Kirk had to give, he was done before July was out . -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candygram for mongo Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, killie billies pal said: Perhaps a wee watch of both Connahs Quays games will put you right, SC got the best of what Kirk had to give, he was done before July was out . Agree SC got the best from Kirk as SC got the best from almost every Killie player. But to say he was done based on (2 games) v (2 and a bit years) is nonsense. He was a very good performer for Killie in his time. He had the occasional erratic moment but over the piece very good. I wish we still had him at RP. The sad thing is he probably wanted to stay here but obviously felt the AA appointment wasn't going to be a good thing. Whether that was just for him or in general then Kirk will know himself. I can only look from the outside in but my gut feeling is he felt the AA appointment wasn't going to be good in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetfitter Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Killieboykfc said: It’s not so much the media. More so family members of players. Indeed so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Has anyone thought that until the last few games we've been succeeding despite and not because of the manager with the senior players sorting most issues out and the manager getting the credit from the fans. As I've said if the senior players who have all played for numerous managers don't like or rate the manager then we've got major issues. Like everything there is no smoke without fire and it will all come out in the end. iI could be an interesting January if a number of players can secure other clubs. -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Players are on social media constantly. The smart ones know not to take things to heart. The thick ones don’t learn. Players will also give up little bits of info to see things spiral. They can be whiny little bitches. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, MarkyMark said: Has anyone thought that until the last few games we've been succeeding despite and not because of the manager with the senior players sorting most issues out and the manager getting the credit from the fans. As I've said if the senior players who have all played for numerous managers don't like or rate the manager then we've got major issues. Like everything there is no smoke without fire and it will all come out in the end. iI could be an interesting January if a number of players can secure other clubs. I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest the senior players are sorting issues out. If issues even exist. And if they are, they didn’t do it very well against Livingston. The suggestion that we were succeeding because of the players until recently and now we are failing because of the manager is hard to comprehend. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Quick question ..... Who was to blame when we went 8 games without a win last season? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackpomm Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, chubbs said: Quick question ..... Who was to blame when we went 8 games without a win last season? This. Exactly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz65 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, chubbs said: Quick question ..... Who was to blame when we went 8 games without a win last season? Rory McKenzie. Obviously. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just seen the highlights. It had looked quite even on chances until the end when it looked a bit of a battering. Couple good saves from Branescu. Johnson has to score that header. Wtf is Del Fabro doing putting that back into the danger area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillieBus Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 8 hours ago, chubbs said: Quick question ..... Who was to blame when we went 8 games without a win last season? When did we go eight games without a win last season? -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, KillieBus said: When did we go eight games without a win last season? We struggled just as much without a striker under Clarke. Edited December 17, 2019 by mitch14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, mitch14 said: We struggled just as much without a striker under Clarke. I remember the full-on panic on here after that Livingston game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, david mcbeth said: I dont remember two 0-0s with Motherwell at home within 3 days. Abandoned match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillieBus Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, mitch14 said: We struggled just as much without a striker under Clarke. But only six games without a win, not eight. -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve101 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 34 minutes ago, KillieBus said: But only six games without a win, not eight. In amongst those games, not shown in the list, were a 0-0 and a 0-5 Vs sevco in Scottish Cup. Obviously mitigating circumstances in that one but forms part of the 8 without a win. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candygram for mongo Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 9 hours ago, chubbs said: Quick question ..... Who was to blame when we went 8 games without a win last season? The transfer window and the machinations that went on removing Stewart. And it wasn't 8 games. We wobbled, were still competitive and the Killie performances then, and general feeling is not comparable to what we're seeing and feeling now. I didn't think then that we'd continue in the wobble and was confident in the manager addressing and going someway to fixing it. Just now (from the start actually) I'm not confident and don't get a good feeling about going forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiepies Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Including a 1-1 draw with Sevco ,a draw with the sheep and losing a last minute goal to Septic.Compare that to getting beat 3-0 by Livvy ,draw with 10 man Hamilton and beat by Ross county.Plus wee played the infirm twice in the league in that run and wee had just lost our most influential player 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Killiepies said: Including a 1-1 draw with Sevco ,a draw with the sheep and losing a last minute goal to Septic.Compare that to getting beat 3-0 by Livvy ,draw with 10 man Hamilton and beat by Ross county.Plus wee played the infirm twice in the league in that run and wee had just lost our most influential player And this season we have lost Bachmann, Taylor, Broadfoot, Mulumbu, Jones and Boyd from the team who played in that run. As well as other squad players like McAleny and Tshibola. We have had a tricky start to the season but the manager has had some real obstacles to contend with. SC only had to replace one player - and he brought in Youssouf Mulumbu. Edited December 17, 2019 by NorfolkG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Candygram for mongo said: The transfer window and the machinations that went on removing Stewart. And it wasn't 8 games. We wobbled, were still competitive and the Killie performances then, and general feeling is not comparable to what we're seeing and feeling now. I didn't think then that we'd continue in the wobble and was confident in the manager addressing and going someway to fixing it. Just now (from the start actually) I'm not confident and don't get a good feeling about going forward. The comments being made on here at the time of the January transfer window and after the Livingston game are comparable. The excessive reaction to our current run will be in part because Angelo Alessio does not have the prior success SC did. It’s understandable that people are comparing the two situations but let’s not kid ourselves people weren’t flapping about on here this time last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross1987 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Dillinger said: Just seen the highlights. It had looked quite even on chances until the end when it looked a bit of a battering. Couple good saves from Branescu. Johnson has to score that header. Wtf is Del Fabro doing putting that back into the danger area? Couldn't believe that. Have to be more aware of who's around you or be getting a shout from the GK to leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Branescu gives Del Fabro a shout, gathers the ball and falls to the ground, maybe even gets a yellow card for time-wasting. Ball gets booted down the ground, game over. Easy to say in hindsight but Branescu and Del Fabro didn't communicate and that cost us a point. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestersKtid Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 42 minutes ago, Wrangodog said: Branescu gives Del Fabro a shout, gathers the ball and falls to the ground, maybe even gets a yellow card for time-wasting. Ball gets booted down the ground, game over. Easy to say in hindsight but Branescu and Del Fabro didn't communicate and that cost us a point. 100% this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewarty66 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 19 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: I can't see Dicker signing a new contract under AA. SOD definitely won't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casual observer Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 There’s been loads of moans and some nonsense about where we are now compared to last season/summer after this run of poor form and results. We also had spells in last two years when things weren’t looking great for a short while. The one area that I think has changed which isn’t personnel related (as it’s obvious where we are lacking in squad depth) is the intensity and hard graft that was evident last season. To a man we generally matched or out worked our opponents and that had the knock on effect of giving us a little more time and space to create as well as built the belief and work ethic that we could always get a result. I don’t think we have the same level of determination or just hard headed belief in each other this season that we can/will run further, tackle harder, jump higher than whoever we are playing which showed up in the Livi & St J games. It’s maybe not the crux of where we are right now, but as a result of not having the same match winners and individual quality of last season it’s more glaringly obvious to me that we don’t seem to have that extra 5% of stubborn effort that made us an almost immovable force in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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