skygod Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, stewarty66 said: He's not, he was sent off on Saturday. He's a very naughty boy. Not saying it's connected but they did better after he was sent off, going from 1-4 to 3-4. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Painter Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 Kris Boyd is still good pals with some of our players. I would reckon he has a fair idea of the feeling in the dressing room. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewarty66 Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, The Painter said: Kris Boyd is still good pals with some of our players. I would reckon he has a fair idea of the feeling in the dressing room. This. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Squirrel Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 Boyd has previous for not buying into a foreign managers methods so I think that should be taken into account. I would imagine that with the influence he had within the squad that he has the finger on the pulse of the squad. The more I hear from the players side it seems like Alessio had no chance as the players were not willing from the off to accept anything else but a continuation of Clarke's methods which is crazy. They should have known that there was going to be changes the moment that Alessio was appointed. Still feel that we have made the wrong choice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) One effect of AA’s football which hasn’t really been mentioned is that on the crowds. We were below 4000 in the home end for St Johnstone last week. Compared to SC against Livingston, I think it was only a difference of about 500. But the number (of paying customers) was dropping. The football wasn’t riveting and the trend was downwards, propped up by the laudable Moffat Stand community work. Edited December 18, 2019 by NorfolkG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Y Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Secret Squirrel said: Boyd has previous for not buying into a foreign managers methods so I think that should be taken into account. I would imagine that with the influence he had within the squad that he has the finger on the pulse of the squad. The more I hear from the players side it seems like Alessio had no chance as the players were not willing from the off to accept anything else but a continuation of Clarke's methods which is crazy. They should have known that there was going to be changes the moment that Alessio was appointed. Still feel that we have made the wrong choice. What have you heard from the players side apart from what you've read on here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrogate Peter Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 Arguably only three halves of good football at RP all season. Rangers second half, second half of Hibs league game and first half against Hearts. That's not a lot to entice the more casual supporter really! Neither does it give team much to be arsey about! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souleycouley93 Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 Angelo has his say here. Pretty much facts very hard to argue with him. All the best to him. Puts a lot of pressure on the board now to replicate similar or better. https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5083315/kilmarnock-angelo-alessio-lose-dressing-room/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTID1869fc Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 Actually lost faith in Boyd after he spouted about the Aberdeen players selected for the Scotland squad last season, basically saved McInnes a team talk against us for the rest of the season. Occurred to me then that his future career in the media was far more important to him than Killie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 Interesting article from AA, dismissing a fall out with players. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfc_superteam Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) AA has always been a class above in his conduct with the media. Always courteous and never gets into a war of words, even with Broadfoot. I feel quite sorry for him. Word on the street is that was Dicker who ultimately rocked the boat, storming past Alessio after Ross County game, not speaking to him and straight onto the bus. Again maybe rumours. So much conjecture at the moment Edited December 18, 2019 by kfc_superteam 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souleycouley93 Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 Players petulance. Wouldn’t surprise me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 That article just raises more questions 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 He was sacked as results and performances were not at the level required. Do you stick or twist, hold off and allow a window or act decisively to allow any new manager to have a full window to fix the issues that were not addressed previously. There are people on this thread commenting that have for weeks on twitter been laying into Angelo for results and performances that are now championing some faux outrage on these forums. Let's be clear, we were not going to be pushing up the table but slipping down it and with exception of a wee purple patch things were getting worse. There is no conspiracy, no fallouts, no mutiny, no arguments with Alex Dyer and demands he was replaced by someone else... a decision by our board was made and we move on. A lovely guy, wanted him to succeed more than any other Killie manager, but it wasn't looking likely. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bullitt said: He was sacked as results and performances were not at the level required. Do you stick or twist, hold off and allow a window or act decisively to allow any new manager to have a full window to fix the issues that were not addressed previously. There are people on this thread commenting that have for weeks on twitter been laying into Angelo for results and performances that are now championing some faux outrage on these forums. Let's be clear, we were not going to be pushing up the table but slipping down it and with exception of a wee purple patch things were getting worse. There is no conspiracy, no fallouts, no mutiny, no arguments with Alex Dyer and demands he was replaced by someone else... a decision by our board was made and we move on. A lovely guy, wanted him to succeed more than any other Killie manager, but it wasn't looking likely. It’s not clear though. I’m not saying it was the wrong decision but we will never know what would have happened, were to have been given the time and support I imagine he feels he deserved. The idea that there were no fallouts seems a real stretch. Edited December 19, 2019 by NorfolkG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, NorfolkG said: It’s not clear though. I’m not saying it was the wrong decision but we will never know what would have happened, were to have been given the time and support I imagine he feels he deserved. Exactly, too many seem convinced that it 'was never going to work'. He was manager of the month 2 months ago and we were sitting 3rd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee_Eck1979 Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) He wasn't given a chance to turn it round, worse managers have been given longer at this club to turn things round. We weren't in a relegation fight and unlikely to be with him, give him a chance to prove himself. Most players contracts run out shortly and will be gone anyway, let him bring in his own players who buy into his philosophy Edited December 19, 2019 by Wee_Eck1979 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 A dressing room revolt can't be undone, whether it is justified or not. Some of the best managers in the World have been removed because the players won't take to their methods or frankly, personality. It's happened, we can moan all we want but Alessio has gone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjkillie007 Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 The Kilmarnock manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has. If (and a big IF) he "lost" the dressing room then I'm afraid he has to go. We can't afford to replace a team of players - we can replace the manager. It might not be fair, you may not agree with it but that's life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee_Eck1979 Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 Backing the players over the manager is a slippery slope, what else are we going to give them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee_Eck1979 Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, gjkillie007 said: The Kilmarnock manager's job is to get the best out of the players he has. If (and a big IF) he "lost" the dressing room then I'm afraid he has to go. We can't afford to replace a team of players - we can replace the manager. It might not be fair, you may not agree with it but that's life. No it isnt, his job is to get us as high up the league as possible, he was doing that successfully with limited support from the club or apparently the players. These players you back will more than likely leave in the summer, then we will have to replace them, time to refresh the squad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjkillie007 Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Wee_Eck1979 said: Backing the players over the manager is a slippery slope, what else are we going to give them? Agreed, but backing the manager over the players could be a slippery slope to the Championship. Rocks and hard places. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee_Eck1979 Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, gjkillie007 said: Agreed, but backing the manager over the players could be a slippery slope to the Championship. Rocks and hard places. the same players who had us in a relegation fight a few years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 Sky Sports reporting that Chelsea paid out £26.6m to Conte, his management team, and coaching staff after his sacking. Wonder how much AA got out of that lot ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Includes a "massive" legal bill, according to The Times. Edited January 7, 2020 by skygod 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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