Scooter Posted December 29, 2019 Report Share Posted December 29, 2019 3 hours ago, gdevoy said: I believe Independence, just like leaving the EU,, would be economically damaging for everyone. Don't you see Westminster policies have been damaging to Scotland over the past 40 years? Whole industries disappeared and towns ravaged, it's just been that slow moving you don't feel it as much. Lots of folk all over the country are just surviving and no more. The problem as I see it is, folk with even a bit of money behind them, don't want the shock of maybe having their cosy wee existence put at risk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted December 29, 2019 Report Share Posted December 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Scooter said: Don't you see Westminster policies have been damaging to Scotland over the past 40 years? Whole industries disappeared and towns ravaged, it's just been that slow moving you don't feel it as much. Lots of folk all over the country are just surviving and no more. That is politics you are talking about here. How money is distributed. Some in Scotland gave done very well thank yo very much. What I am talking about is the total, which would go down so there would be less to go round. The tricky bit is how do you get better redistribution without impoverishing everyone. Mugabe tried it in Zimbabwe and f**ked the economy. 2 hours ago, Scooter said: The problem as I see it is, folk with even a bit of money behind them, don't want the shock of maybe having their cosy wee existence put at risk. Why should they? What possible reason would older folks who have worked all their lives and are now relatively secure have to risk all for some high risk pipe dream? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_killie Posted December 29, 2019 Report Share Posted December 29, 2019 10 hours ago, gdevoy said: I believe Independence, just like leaving the EU,, would be economically damaging for everyone. The irony is the Tories saying the EU have their head in the sand thinking the UK would never be so stupid as to leave, while apparently with their own heads right up their own arses over the breakup of the UK. I dont think their heads are up their arses gdevoy. I dont think they give a s**t about anyone other than themselves. I think they also know they can easily manipulate the majority of Scots via the media etc and probably in a large case, the auld yins to support them by striking fear into them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackislekillie Posted December 29, 2019 Report Share Posted December 29, 2019 5 hours ago, gdevoy said: That is politics you are talking about here. How money is distributed. Some in Scotland gave done very well thank yo very much. What I am talking about is the total, which would go down so there would be less to go round. The tricky bit is how do you get better redistribution without impoverishing everyone. Mugabe tried it in Zimbabwe and f**ked the economy. Why should they? What possible reason would older folks who have worked all their lives and are now relatively secure have to risk all for some high risk pipe dream? You're seriously trying to compare an independent Scotland with Zimbabwe? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 16 hours ago, Blackislekillie said: You're seriously trying to compare an independent Scotland with Zimbabwe? Yes. Very much so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackislekillie Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 Jesus f**king wept. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 16 hours ago, Shropshire_killie said: I dont think their heads are up their arses gdevoy. I dont think they give a s**t about anyone other than themselves. I think they also know they can easily manipulate the majority of Scots via the media etc and probably in a large case, the auld yins to support them by striking fear into them. I think, if you want a democratic majority in favour of independence you have to reach out to those who are not convinced. The threat of economic collapse is real and not some scary story you tell kids to box them in. What the SBP gave to do is demonstrate the understand the economic risks and have mitigated them as far as reasonably possible. Poo, pooing the economic hazards and verbally abusing people who have a lot mire life experience tha you do is really stupid and not going to change minds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Blackislekillie said: Jesus f**king wept. Just ask the people of Greece how they gi on with their democratic vote to abolish their debt and follow a more socialist agenda. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackislekillie Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 You're comparing an inclusive, liberal democracy to a one party dictatorship prone to torturing and executing dissidents and opponents. Just ask the people of Zimbabwe what they'd rather have. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Blackislekillie said: You're comparing an inclusive, liberal democracy to a one party dictatorship prone to torturing and executing dissidents and opponents. Just ask the people of Zimbabwe what they'd rather have. Both country's people suffered because of the economic mismanagement of their government. Putin' is a despot with a shocking record on human rights but his people love him because he has brought economic prosperity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackislekillie Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 I wasn't commenting on Greece's economy. I was commenting on your comparison between Scotland and Zimbabwe. Ask Zimbabweans which system of government they would prefer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Blackislekillie said: I wasn't commenting on Greece's economy. I was commenting on your comparison between Scotland and Zimbabwe. Ask Zimbabweans which system of government they would prefer. OK Zimbabwe was perhaps a bad example to demonstrate that good socialist principles of wealth redistribution are no help against economic realities. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 hours ago, gdevoy said: Yes. Very much so. Hi mclean hows it going up there in the big smoke? Seriously Devoy you're losing the plot here. Your unionist leanings are making you a laughing stock. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 hours ago, gdevoy said: Both country's people suffered because of the economic mismanagement of their government. Putin' is a despot with a shocking record on human rights but his people love him because he has brought economic prosperity. And you think the UKs management of Scotlands economy is fine? You think the blatant hiding of the microbe report to protect the UK from sxottish independence and removing the pil boom which was utter pissed ul against a wall by WM was good? Ffs man wake up, you're literally just proving that you beleive project fear and all the absolute horses**t propaganda the media broadcast and print. The same propaganda they've used on Australia, New Zealand, Canada, India, Malta, etc who have all left the glorious empire for their betterment. Not a Single nation who left have done worse NONE, ZERO, ZILCHO, but you lap up this fear patter like a cat laps up milk. Have a word with yourself man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, gdevoy said: OK Zimbabwe was perhaps a bad example to demonstrate that good socialist principles of wealth redistribution are no help against economic realities. https://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/value-of-all-scotland-s-natural-resources-revealed-1-4894543?fbclid=IwAR1NFdYhvMdfr0ibleUEwoaCEPMzvjKi2gPJX7BNbXfkOXSVNEy-GXP20rY Yes I know it's an unusual economic concept that one country should pay another for it's natural resources, but hey what the hell lets try it and see how quickly rUK is bankrupt. Electricity, water, fishing, oil and gas, etc. This is economic reality, not the pigswill you been lapping up recently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted December 30, 2019 Report Share Posted December 30, 2019 33 minutes ago, Beaker71 said: And you think the UKs management of Scotlands economy is fine? No I dont. And that is why I think there us a genuine case for independence. But having a case and winning ut are worlds apart. I invite Westminster to explain why the current arrangements give best wealth redistribution but the only message I hear us "you think its bad now. Just wait till those whacky nsts take over........" I invite the Nats to explain how breaking up the union will make things better and the only message I hear is "nothing compares to freedom". Aye try telling that to the homeless and the hungry. FundamenrallyI think the current system is set up to enrich the wealthy but the SNP are bot explaining why breaking up the union would make anything any better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker71 Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 11 hours ago, gdevoy said: No I dont. And that is why I think there us a genuine case for independence. But having a case and winning ut are worlds apart. I invite Westminster to explain why the current arrangements give best wealth redistribution but the only message I hear us "you think its bad now. Just wait till those whacky nsts take over........" I invite the Nats to explain how breaking up the union will make things better and the only message I hear is "nothing compares to freedom". Aye try telling that to the homeless and the hungry. FundamenrallyI think the current system is set up to enrich the wealthy but the SNP are bot explaining why breaking up the union would make anything any better. How about reading my last post then. Scotland does NOT get subsidised by the union and never has. Electricity generated in Scotland is exported to the south of the island and Scotland PAYS for this!!! Water is transported south and Scotland PAYS for this, OIL and GAS are extracted from the North sea and West of Scotland and we get 8.8% of a shiity tax revenue system which allows shell to pay Zero tax ffs. Whisky exports are classed as English as they leave from the English ports and we dont get the tax revenue. All of this would be reversed and quite frankly the revenue streams into our economy would be huge and allow us to invest properly in the health, education, infrastructure and public services our nations people and economy needs. Instead being spent on london sewers, cross rails HS2, third runway at Heathrow and f**king trident which literally gives ilus the benefit of less than 200 jobs, all of which are filled with transient workers from down south! -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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