Wee_Eck1979 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 The saves he gets credit for are saves you would expect a keeper at this level to make. He isn't upto the standard required at this level unfortunately -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieboy Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, KennyH80 said: I actually went to the Alloa game at the weekend - he had 4-5 excellent saves and also had a penalty save. Better than Larry? Not convinced but certainly wouldn't be adverse to him coming back. Yeah he had a couple of good saves from Partick's Cole, who looks a player. Edited January 6, 2020 by jamieboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted January 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 I've watched Reece Cole quite a lot and I would have suggested him on here if I'd known he was available on loan. I think he's better than Partick Thistle. Free agent in the summer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieboy Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, skygod said: I've watched Reece Cole quite a lot and I would have suggested him on here if I'd known he was available on loan. I think he's better than Partick Thistle. Free agent in the summer. At this moment in time yeah he is better than Thistle but they will be strong next year. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser2 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 It’s often the case that for some players who were perhaps off form ...are viewed to be better players when they are not actually playing for us be that out injured or out on loan ..... last season we saw quite a few posts saying DT should be back playing in our first team not for Dumbarton ......he as yet this season has done very little to have any influence in games or improve our woeful attacking play MacDonald was a very good keeper and servant to our club .....but his form latterly had dipped and other clubs pinpointed his weak areas so as a club we brought in likes of Woodman and Bachman to improve that position. At his age he has found a club near his home which he seemed to want for some time....and with the step down a league has done well. Think he would be better suited to stay there ...... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbk Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 Probably he will want to stay somewhere where he is appreciated good luck to him! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candygram for mongo Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 10 hours ago, KennyH80 said: Better than Larry? Not convinced but certainly wouldn't be adverse to him coming back. Larry is a liability. JMcD has been a very good and consistent performer for Killie. Unless they can get better, get him back. -10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candygram for mongo Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Scouser2 said: last season we saw quite a few posts saying DT should be back playing in our first team not for Dumbarton ......he as yet this season has done very little to have any influence in games or improve our woeful attacking play He’s done very little at anytime he’s played for Killie...and sometimes it’s been less than that. Skilful player, would stand out playing with his mates but almost completely ineffective in the context of a professional top-flight football team. A total waste of resources extending his contract. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted January 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 You watch videos of Thomas playing for Dumbarton and he looks outstanding, but that was in League One and standard is pish. There's a big difference between League One and the Premiership and he seems to struggle making the transition. Maybe his level is in between. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 Im far from convinced with Thomas but how he isn’t getting a game ahead of Liam Millar is puzzling. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ngonge88 Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 hours ago, piffer said: Im far from convinced with Thomas but how he isn’t getting a game ahead of Liam Millar is puzzling. Watching the liverpool kids at the weekend who are I assume roundabout Millars age. Wow! Miles and miles ahead of Millar and even Kent at rangers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Ngonge88 said: Watching the liverpool kids at the weekend who are I assume roundabout Millars age. Wow! Miles and miles ahead of Millar and even Kent at rangers Few of those players are a couple of age groups below Millar. Elliott who played on the right wing is just 16. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casual observer Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/7/2020 at 7:04 AM, piffer said: Im far from convinced with Thomas but how he isn’t getting a game ahead of Liam Millar is puzzling. There might be a clause in loan deal that he has to play certain number of games? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesnowman21 Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 For those who subscribe to the terrace patreon feed Jamie has been getting interviewed by Fowler and the latest episode focuses on his time at Killie. Its a good listen with some good stories about Lee Clark. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 1/8/2020 at 9:19 PM, thesnowman21 said: For those who subscribe to the terrace patreon feed Jamie has been getting interviewed by Fowler and the latest episode focuses on his time at Killie. Its a good listen with some good stories about Lee Clark. Last part of this on today and all on Killie. Really interesting. Lee Clark sounds a charlatan. Told him he was putting Woodman in for the cup game and guaranteed Jamie he'd be back in at the weekend. Got to the weekend, told him Woodman was started and then totally denied making the promise... Puts a bit of context on his own position - He travels in from Edinburgh which is his choice because the family are there. When there was a few from Edinburgh travelling together that was OK. Now he's back doing it alone and had asked Clarke to maybe look for something else on that basis. Also now has three kids which is making it harder. Says it will be January or the summer looking for somewhere closer to Edinburgh. Says he and the players take massive responsibility for the European game and say it shouldn't have mattered what was going on with the manager - sounds a proper source of regret - as you'd hope. Usual comments on Clarke, but quite good in saying that he can't even put into words how Clarke did it and that it was no one thing. Behind the scenes was genuinely small goals, a bit at a time, but by the end it was very much "we are finishing third or fourth." Interesting too that he says him and the players were in no doubt Clarke woild be off one way or another. If only that had been true of the board... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted January 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Some of our boys and Bunn will be busy swapping Lee Clark stories. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Macdonald was a far better servant to the club than Lee Clark was. Still think it was disgraceful the way he was treated when Woodman came on loan. Similar situation with Bachman but the way it was handled probably shows why Steve Clarke is managing a national team and Lee Clark is in the non-league (if he still has a job) claiming that he has unfinished business at Killie. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, historyman said: Macdonald was a far better servant to the club than Lee Clark was. Still think it was disgraceful the way he was treated when Woodman came on loan. Similar situation with Bachman but the way it was handled probably shows why Steve Clarke is managing a national team and Lee Clark is in the non-league (if he still has a job) claiming that he has unfinished business at Killie. To be fair, he doesn't dispute that Woodman and Bachmann were better and deserved to play. But exactly as you say - he says that Clarke immediately spoke to him, was straight about it and said he would get back in if he earned the place. That's the difference. Twice in his career that he got player of the year at the club and the new manager the following year punted him.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy123 Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, historyman said: Macdonald was a far better servant to the club than Lee Clark was. Still think it was disgraceful the way he was treated when Woodman came on loan. Similar situation with Bachman but the way it was handled probably shows why Steve Clarke is managing a national team and Lee Clark is in the non-league (if he still has a job) claiming that he has unfinished business at Killie. did Newcastle not put in the deal if woodman played they paid his wages but if he didn't get played we had to pay them. Or was that rumour s**te 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, mitch14 said: To be fair, he doesn't dispute that Woodman and Bachmann were better and deserved to play. But exactly as you say - he says that Clarke immediately spoke to him, was straight about it and said he would get back in if he earned the place. That's the difference. Twice in his career that he got player of the year at the club and the new manager the following year punted him.. Personally, I thought Woodman was good but not much of an improvement on Macdonald. Was still young and a bit inexperienced and made a few mistakes. Bachmann, however, was a big step up. Was one of the best keepers in the country when he was here and I'm surprised he's not on loan at a reasonably big team in the English championship this season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, historyman said: Personally, I thought Woodman was good but not much of an improvement on Macdonald. Was still young and a bit inexperienced and made a few mistakes. Bachmann, however, was a big step up. Was one of the best keepers in the country when he was here and I'm surprised he's not on loan at a reasonably big team in the English championship this season. Thought Woodman grew into being a far better keeper than McDonald after a nervy start. As you say it was poor the way Lee Clark handled it but it’s hardly surprising. It was a risky strategy but ultimately one that payed off IMO. Bachmann I completely agree was one of the best if not the best in the country when he got his run. It’s interesting stuff from McDonald. Confirms IMO that he doesn’t really want to be at Killie but it’s nothing against the club and completely understandable where before it came across as huffy without the explanation. Did he mention anything about how being dropped last season hit him after the high of being selected for the national team? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, piffer said: Thought Woodman grew into being a far better keeper than McDonald after a nervy start. As you say it was poor the way Lee Clark handled it but it’s hardly surprising. It was a risky strategy but ultimately one that payed off IMO. Bachmann I completely agree was one of the best if not the best in the country when he got his run. It’s interesting stuff from McDonald. Confirms IMO that he doesn’t really want to be at Killie but it’s nothing against the club and completely understandable where before it came across as huffy without the explanation. Did he mention anything about how being dropped last season hit him after the high of being selected for the national team? Woodman went on to win the u-20 world cup with england at the end of that season. Being named keeper of the tournament. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldo Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 macdonald was treated disgracefully during that period. never deserved to be dropped for woodman, who ran off to play for the English u20s whilst we still had a relegation battle to get out of. as a loan player he clearly was only interested in his own career and didn't give a jot about killie. night and day to someone like bachman, who despite also being a loan, always looked like it meant something to him to play for us. -8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 8 hours ago, piffer said: It’s interesting stuff from McDonald. Confirms IMO that he doesn’t really want to be at Killie but it’s nothing against the club and completely understandable where before it came across as huffy without the explanation. Did he mention anything about how being dropped last season hit him after the high of being selected for the national team? Said it was a huge honour to play for Scotland but totally realistic about where he was in the pecking order. He'd asked Clarke about the potential of a move long pretty early it seems and respected Clarke's judgement that he was going another way. Sounds like there is no animosity at all. Said Alessio was trying to get them to play football that didn't work for them but he did go back to what they were doing before very quickly. Says we don't have the players to play any other way really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 I think one difference with Woodman and Bachman was that when the former came in Jamie Mac was still doing a good job where as with DB his stock had started to fall 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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