cammy2012 Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 Couple of weeks back I started a topic titled Messiah or Charlatan. I withdrew it because the word Charlatan was inappropriate and wrong. I apologise. Whilst I recognise that BB's intervention in Killie steadied what appeared to be a sinking ship, I genuinely am concerned about his competence regarding football matters and his commitment going forward. Why did John Kiltie & the other Director resign? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boring Bob Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, cammy2012 said: Couple of weeks back I started a topic titled Messiah or Charlatan. I withdrew it because the word Charlatan was inappropriate and wrong. I apologise. Whilst I recognise that BB's intervention in Killie steadied what appeared to be a sinking ship, I genuinely am concerned about his competence regarding football matters and his commitment going forward. Why did John Kiltie & the other Director resign? Quite simple, they could not work with Big Balls Billy Bowie who said that it was his ball and no one else was playing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammy2012 Posted February 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Boring Bob said: Quite simple, they could not work with Big Balls Billy Bowie who said that it was his ball and no one else was playing. And we're here. Everyone must make up their own mind. The facts, though, speak for themselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bizza_89 Posted February 1, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) His competence regarding football matters should be a non issue. As the head of the club, his role is to ensure competent people are in place to carry out their duties. Bowie knows fine well he isn’t qualified in football matters - and that is why he scoured the earth and left no stone unturned in search of the perfect Head of Football Operations. He found this in James Fowler. A man about who Bowie said, “James’ experience for the role is second to none”... Second to none? Sorry. What? Zero contacts and zero experience scouting players. Grossly unqualified. F**king hell Billy! Next time I see one of your Tankers I’ll wonder if the c*nt driving has a license. Edited February 1, 2020 by bizza_89 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 Clarke made things far too easy for him. So much so that he gave the role of Head of Football Operations over a pint in hospitality to someone with absolutely no experience. Complacency has set in, and perhaps they haven't realised it themselves. Clock is ticking 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppskillie Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 The clock is ticking with the alarm bells starting to ring pretty soon if not started already. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizza_89 Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 6 hours ago, Steppskillie said: The clock is ticking with the alarm bells starting to ring pretty soon if not started already. Alarm bells have been ringing for months, the club has had ample opportunity to take action and has failed miserably. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_dug Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 9 hours ago, bizza_89 said: His competence regarding football matters should be a non issue. As the head of the club, his role is to ensure competent people are in place to carry out their duties. Bowie knows fine well he isn’t qualified in football matters - and that is why he scoured the earth and left no stone unturned in search of the perfect Head of Football Operations. He found this in James Fowler. A man about who Bowie said, “James’ experience for the role is second to none”... Second to none? Sorry. What? Zero contacts and zero experience scouting players. Grossly unqualified. F**king hell Billy! Next time I see one of your Tankers I’ll wonder if the c*nt driving has a license. The bit that baffles me with Fowler is that we obviously targeted his knowledge gained of players in league 1. His manager from those days, jack ross, obviously has the same contacts and saw the same players, is employed by a club in our division who can pay 5 times what we can, play on grass in front of bigger crowds and in a nice city. Know which club i'd choose. Mind blowing decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 1 hour ago, red_dug said: The bit that baffles me with Fowler is that we obviously targeted his knowledge gained of players in league 1. His manager from those days, jack ross, obviously has the same contacts and saw the same players, is employed by a club in our division who can pay 5 times what we can, play on grass in front of bigger crowds and in a nice city. Know which club i'd choose. Mind blowing decision. Of course players from League One will choose Hibs over Killie, especially given the mess we are in - but Hibs can't sign everybody. There must be others that were available yet we have got no one. Clarke signed loads of players on loan from England and he had been out of the game for a while. If the idea behind bringing Fowler in was that he had good contacts in England then it has clearly failed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 I imagine that getting a phone call from Steve Clarke carries more weight than one from Alex Dyer or James Fowler, especially at the biggest clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 The simple fact is Billy has lost interest in being a football chairman. He really can’t be arsed with the hassle the job entails. Any sack the board protests that arise will be just the excuse he wants to rid himself of the millstone round his neck. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedsy Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Pablo said: The simple fact is Billy has lost interest in being a football chairman. He really can’t be arsed with the hassle the job entails. Any sack the board protests that arise will be just the excuse he wants to rid himself of the millstone round his neck. Is this founded on any actual facts, or are you just assuming things and bumping your gums 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4mmy31 Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 11 hours ago, bizza_89 said: His competence regarding football matters should be a non issue. As the head of the club, his role is to ensure competent people are in place to carry out their duties. Bowie knows fine well he isn’t qualified in football matters - and that is why he scoured the earth and left no stone unturned in search of the perfect Head of Football Operations. He found this in James Fowler. A man about who Bowie said, “James’ experience for the role is second to none”... Second to none? Sorry. What? Zero contacts and zero experience scouting players. Grossly unqualified. F**king hell Billy! Next time I see one of your Tankers I’ll wonder if the c*nt driving has a license. I think we can safely substitute "second" with "next"...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCM Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 Towards the end of the MJ era there were supposed to be investors who may come in if MJ was not here, these investors never materialised. Is it a) because the chance of getting a share in the hotel has gone b) they do not want to work with the current board (as was the case with the two board members who resigned). or c) they were never there in the first place. I worry that the current board are, as someone else said, so used to making the decisions in their own businesses, no one wants to come in, as a board of 5 would be I think more beneficial to the club, with the additional 2 also having a reasonable stake in the club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livvy Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 With MJ we had someone taking 7 figures out a struggling club and half hotel while putting in nothing. BB has financially contributed to the club and tried to do the right things. We need to accept he has made mistakes but for trying the right thing. We could do with someone experienced at the helm in the managers seat or DOF role to support him. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, GCM said: Towards the end of the MJ era there were supposed to be investors who may come in if MJ was not here, these investors never materialised. Is it a) because the chance of getting a share in the hotel has gone b) they do not want to work with the current board (as was the case with the two board members who resigned). or c) they were never there in the first place. I worry that the current board are, as someone else said, so used to making the decisions in their own businesses, no one wants to come in, as a board of 5 would be I think more beneficial to the club, with the additional 2 also having a reasonable stake in the club. Iirc investors wanted to buy MJ’s shares. If they’d bought them they could implement any changes they wanted. If you invest in the club now, you have an opportunity to convince BB your ideas are for the best, but at the end of the day he can spend your investment any way he likes. Which opportunity do you think is more attractive to potential investors? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestersKtid Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 Difference with buying mj shares is he would’ve got a large pay packet and the club would’ve had nothing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCM Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Zorro said: Iirc investors wanted to buy MJ’s shares. If they’d bought them they could implement any changes they wanted. If you invest in the club now, you have an opportunity to convince BB your ideas are for the best, but at the end of the day he can spend your investment any way he likes. Which opportunity do you think is more attractive to potential investors? That is my fear, very few are likely to come in and assist which makes BB the only option at present. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, seedsy said: Is this founded on any actual facts, or are you just assuming things and bumping your gums Take it any way you want champ. The guys a multi millionaire, it’s years of this s**te or f**king off to the holiday villa and letting some other mug have all the fun. I know what I’d prefer and deep down you agree with me. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ngonge88 Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 11 hours ago, bizza_89 said: His competence regarding football matters should be a non issue. As the head of the club, his role is to ensure competent people are in place to carry out their duties. Bowie knows fine well he isn’t qualified in football matters - and that is why he scoured the earth and left no stone unturned in search of the perfect Head of Football Operations. He found this in James Fowler. A man about who Bowie said, “James’ experience for the role is second to none”... Second to none? Sorry. What? Zero contacts and zero experience scouting players. Grossly unqualified. F**king hell Billy! Next time I see one of your Tankers I’ll wonder if the c*nt driving has a license. Outstanding post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 Just now, PrestersKtid said: Difference with buying mj shares is he would’ve got a large pay packet and the club would’ve had nothing. That’s where NAPM came in. It restricted his options and meant he had to be more reasonable in his negotiations with investors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ngonge88 Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, GCM said: Towards the end of the MJ era there were supposed to be investors who may come in if MJ was not here, these investors never materialised. Is it a) because the chance of getting a share in the hotel has gone b) they do not want to work with the current board (as was the case with the two board members who resigned). or c) they were never there in the first place. I worry that the current board are, as someone else said, so used to making the decisions in their own businesses, no one wants to come in, as a board of 5 would be I think more beneficial to the club, with the additional 2 also having a reasonable stake in the club. Or D) They canny knock Rugby park down and build houses and rehome us where the college is 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_dug Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, GCM said: Towards the end of the MJ era there were supposed to be investors who may come in if MJ was not here, these investors never materialised. Is it a) because the chance of getting a share in the hotel has gone b) they do not want to work with the current board (as was the case with the two board members who resigned). or c) they were never there in the first place. I worry that the current board are, as someone else said, so used to making the decisions in their own businesses, no one wants to come in, as a board of 5 would be I think more beneficial to the club, with the additional 2 also having a reasonable stake in the club. By 4pm one of them might have taken a small junior side to the scottish cup QF and had a lot more appreciation and fun doing so than if he was involved in the current shambles at RP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 Something that is fact is that BB is not actually a football fan. He sees Killie as a community project first and foremost. Don’t know how that affects anything, but it’s true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, Mclean07 said: Something that is fact is that BB is not actually a football fan. He sees Killie as a community project first and foremost. Don’t know how that affects anything, but it’s true. He is a football fan. Always has been. From his primary school days onwards he played. By his own admittance he never set the heather on fire. More a kick about after school on the red blaze at Strandhead Park than actual playing for Stewarton Annick or any of the other youth teams. His younger brother Douglas who you will see about the club never had an interest in sport never mind football. His interest in football would start when his brother bought into the club and not before. His other brother Kenny, Douglas’s twin is a football fan and attends the games when he can. He doesn’t stay local and hasn’t for many years. I truly believe that Billy invested in the club for all the right reasons, including the community. I doubt he has any intention of walking away, he’s in it for the long term, with his son and heir taking over at some point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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