mitch14 Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 Two things I take from tonight and the results since Christmas: One - Despite some individual errors, we have a promising squad and a promising manager. Two - The cup is gone, we'll stay up and more likely than not just miss out on top six. With all that in mind - is it time to essentily start building for next season now? Announce Dyer as manager and let the players make their decisions about who is on board and who isn't. Try out a few of the young players where we can and see if we can blood some free transfers. Don't mean this to be negative or pessimistic - I don't blame the manager or the players to any great degree. Botched transfer windows and bad decisions have left us with no depth, an inexperienced manager at a bad point in the season, two s**t keepers etc. But signing up the nucleus of a good squad from who wants to stay and hitting the ground running in the summer is a must. Spending the summer hiring a manager again would be a disaster... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muza1962 Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 What about 3, terrible crowd for a big cup replay and reduced prices. If not for the sheep support we would have had just over 4K. Terrible, however the atmosphere seemed great and noisy WTF. -14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 Priority is to avoid relegation. That's not done yet. The only free transfers available would be those players that are out of contract. There won't be much to be had in the market now. We should try a few of our young players like Connell and Cameron once we are safe but I don't think many of them are ready for the first team yet. I would wait until near the end of the season to make a decision on Dyer but if it's not him they need to get things sorted out much sooner to give the new manager a chance. We will have retained so few players he will have a big rebuilding job to do. On the plus side that should give him a great opportunity to hopefully bring in who he wants 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkG Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, muza1962 said: What about 3, terrible crowd for a big cup replay and reduced prices. If not for the sheep support we would have had just over 4K. Terrible, however the atmosphere seemed great and noisy WTF. More than both teams combined last night in a match between two teams a stone’s throw apart. Context is everything. And your comment is totally irrelevant to the opening post. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muza1962 Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, mitch14 said: Two things I take from tonight and the results since Christmas: One - Despite some individual errors, we have a promising squad and a promising manager. Two - The cup is gone, we'll stay up and more likely than not just miss out on top six. With all that in mind - is it time to essentily start building for next season now? Announce Dyer as manager and let the players make their decisions about who is on board and who isn't. Try out a few of the young players where we can and see if we can blood some free transfers. Don't mean this to be negative or pessimistic - I don't blame the manager or the players to any great degree. Botched transfer windows and bad decisions have left us with no depth, an inexperienced manager at a bad point in the season, two s**t keepers etc. But signing up the nucleus of a good squad from who wants to stay and hitting the ground running in the summer is a must. Spending the summer hiring a manager again would be a disaster... Oops should have quoted this. Sorry for any irrelevance! -9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 I'm not convinced by Dyer. There's a big difference between being a No. 2 and the gaffer. Which reminds me - we should tell the SFA he's unavailable until further notice. We're still suffering the consequences of the Alessio fiasco. It seems ridiculous that we gave Thomas and Waters contract extensions to the end of next season yet they're not deemed good enough to be at the club now. There's a big rebuild needed in the summer. Fowler has to be working on that now but we don't know which division we will be in or who the manager will be. The club needs strong leadership from the boardroom and I don't think that is there. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted February 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, historyman said: if it's not him they need to get things sorted out much sooner to give the new manager a chance. We will have retained so few players he will have a big rebuilding job to do. On the plus side that should give him a great opportunity to hopefully bring in who he wants This is what really got me thinking about it. If we are bringing someone new in it almost has to be now - but that's not going to happen. So it's almost certainly Dyer. Even if there's a shaky end to the season, we might be better with Dyer so we don't lose weeks and weeks replacing him. Difficult position. Being a position get in even one or two key signings at the start of the window could shape the next season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killieboykfc Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 The issue with us is that outwith our starting 11 we have a horrific lack of quality, like seriously bad. Players like Millen (I like him tbf but he isn’t amazing), Johnson, St Clair, Hendrie etc are all well below the required level to play premiership football. The same goes for people like Thomas, Frizzell etc. We have a massive rebuilding job to do and sadly I don’t have a lot of faith in the recruitment team (whoever they are? Fowler? Fowler and Dyer? Fowler, Dyer and the board?) to get it right in the summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted February 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, skygod said: It seems ridiculous that we gave Thomas and Waters contract extensions to the end of next season yet they're not deemed good enough to be at the club now. The enormous frustration for me is that, like almost every decison the club has made, it's muddled and fumbled. If we had brought in, say, Aarons as the quality and another and a prospect left back then those loans are actually quite a good and bold decison - we keep two players on the books, keep them happy and give them masses of game time. But we fall between two stools and end up weaker with players who will rightly feel miffed they aren't better than what we have... Nothing is joined up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 I’m seeing Dyer in a far better light now than I was initially but still some way off being 100% convinced he is the right man for the job. Performances and results have improved which is massive and something I didn’t see happening initially. At the moment Id give him to the split and make a decision from there. Whoever is in charge has to be confirmed and in place the day after the last game of the season if not sooner. Whatever happens on that front we cannot keep stumbling through transfer windows. The recruitment needs addressing ASAP. Two disastrous windows is inexcusable. I hope answers are given on this next week. Open and honest discussion not Cathy's clueless drivel on the matter. We are seeing evidence in the last two games of how failure in this area has let us down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter's Heeder Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 I wasn't happy with Dyer's appointment, I'm still not convinced. But the teams performances over the last 3 or 4 weeks have been more like the stuff I've got myself used to over the past couple of years. He's winning me round a bit, regardless of the past 2 results. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesper Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 I like AD, but we need to appoint someone with more experience. He's slowly undoing the "damage" Alessio's tactical changes caused us, and he's building confidence in the squad again. But I see him as a stop gap - hopefully to keep us up - until a more experienced manager comes in and rebuilds the team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser2 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 Would hope the Board have some idea by now If AD is a long term option and how they see things developing..... but then again whilst doing well with the off the pitch improvements .......they have have made too many errors in choices made which affect on the field matters.. Whilst it was welcome to get some communication ......some of the spin that came out after the January window was baffling in trying to explain the shambles away...again ...... It is vital the club is both better prepared and get things done a lot quicker this summer window and so having a long term Manager in place long before then is important 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killieboykfc Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 I wouldn’t be against Dyer getting it tbh. Our performance levels have been decent since the Queen’s Park game and we look more organised. Tonight was very poor but the players have to shoulder the blame for that tonight imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 If anyone wants another example of ridiculous decision making by the club this season it was letting Kiltie go out on loan and bringing in Sow and Jackson. Kiltie has shown more ability and made more of a contribution in his few brief appearances since coming back than either of those two did when they were here. Kiltie could have had another full season of development with us in the top league instead we farmed him out to the championship and recruited two has beens who were a total waste of a jersey. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killieboykfc Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, historyman said: If anyone wants another example of ridiculous decision making by the club this season it was letting Kiltie go out on loan and bringing in Sow and Jackson. Kiltie has shown more ability and made more of a contribution in his few brief appearances since coming back than either of those two did when they were here. Kiltie could have had another full season of development with us in the top league instead we farmed him out to the championship and recruited two has beens who were a total waste of a jersey. Agreed. Kiltie is the most intelligent player we have. In his short time on the pitch tonight he constantly moved and demanded the ball. Baffles me that he doesn’t get more of a chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted February 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Killieboykfc said: Agreed. Kiltie is the most intelligent player we have. In his short time on the pitch tonight he constantly moved and demanded the ball. Baffles me that he doesn’t get more of a chance. I agree - but I did think last night showed the difficulty with him in finding a position. He made things happen and played some really clever balls, but he also got caught out defensively in the wide areas. I think he has to be a number ten or nothing - and that's quite tricky. Hope we can find a place for him. I really want him to do well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 8 hours ago, muza1962 said: What about 3, terrible crowd for a big cup replay and reduced prices. If not for the sheep support we would have had just over 4K. Terrible, however the atmosphere seemed great and noisy WTF. "seemed"? Does that mean you weren't there? We had about the same crowd as St Mirren and Motherwell combined and Motherwell are 3rd and admission was a good bit cheaper. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee_Eck1979 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Killieboykfc said: Agreed. Kiltie is the most intelligent player we have. Chris Burke! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojike and Bod Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 Dyer is nothing more than a stop gap. He’s steadied the ship bit his inexperience and inadequacies were there for all to see last night. Staying up is about as much as we can realistically expect with a paper thin squad. The recruitment since Clarke left has been horrendous. Get Gary Holt appointed in the summer. No brainer. A far better option than Dyer. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 It’s a tricky one and a lot depends on where the club wants to be. We’re never going to be pushing for third or fourth with AD in charge, he just lacks the magic ingredient to make the difference with our resources. However he is good enough to keep us mid table and keep the players happy. Bring in a new gaffer now and you give them plenty of time to prepare for next season, but risk the players spitting the dummy again. Wait until the summer and you’re already miles behind our rivals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser2 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 worry is IF AD is not seen as long term Manager we have another summer like the fiasco of 2019 ---- wait around for weeks - months to finally appointing a Manager by then any potential signings will have had interest from esle where and few current players may say enough is enough and want out 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 As Mitch14 said, a decision on Dyer really needs to be made now. We need to end the season, maybe even go into the post-split, with next season’s manager in place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee_Eck1979 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 We can't make a decision on the next manager till we are mathematically safe. I've said it before but we need to go through a proper and thorough recruitment process, get word out there that we are looking for a new manager to get the best candidates possible and conduct a thorough interview process and look into backgrounds too. Go into the process with a plan and an idea what we are looking for rather than lurch from idea to idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojike and Bod Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Twonky65 said: Dyer is absolutely the man for the job. Gary Holt is not the answer Give us a rationale... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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