kfc_superteam Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 15 games, 3 wins, 1 draw, 11 defeats. I'm sorry Mr Bowie but if you think this is good enough then you have to think again. Worrying think is the fact that Billy expects him to be manager next season. Performances have been better but unless we won the majority of our last games he needs to go 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel4 Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 If the plan is to give him the job full time (which I seriously hope it isn’t!) the board should be getting him an experienced number 2 in asap to help him. The rest of the season could be very painful for us 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfc_superteam Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 Also Alessios record is night and day compared to Dyers! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetfitter Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 27 minutes ago, kfc_superteam said: 15 games, 3 wins, 1 draw, 11 defeats. I'm sorry Mr Bowie but if you think this is good enough then you have to think again. Worrying think is the fact that Billy expects him to be manager next season. Performances have been better but unless we won the majority of our last games he needs to go Those stats are really damning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 7 hours ago, skygod said: Calling Dyer a fraud is harsh. He didn't push himself forward for the job and, in his pre-match interviews, he modestly says we'll try to get a win or a draw. He sets his sights low and the players seem to be responding accordingly. Blame lies higher up than Dyer. Absolutely. We didn’t do what needed to be done in January. A couple of decent signings, even loans, and we would have made the top six. The squad (which I think is now the smallest in the league) is running on empty. Where did the money go? No one can tell me we didn’t have something available to bring a couple in. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, carpetfitter said: Those stats are really damning. They are also, I think, wrong! Played 15 Won 4 (QP, Ross County, Hearts, Rangers) Drawn 3 (Aberdeen x 3) Lost 8 Two draws and nine defeats if you consider the extra-time to be a defeat. Edited March 8, 2020 by skygod -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz65 Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 I miss the days of debating whether Roberto di Matteo or Davie Moyes would be the best man for the Killie job. It seems like so long ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz65 Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, skygod said: They are also, I think, wrong! Played 15 Won 4 (QP, Ross County, Hearts, Rangers) Drawn 3 (Aberdeen x 3) Lost 8 Two draws and nine defeats if you consider the penalty shoot-out to be a defeat. An almost identical win ratio to Lee McCulloch and Gary Locke. He's not the man for the job. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfc_superteam Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, skygod said: They are also, I think, wrong! Played 15 Won 4 (QP, Ross County, Hearts, Rangers) Drawn 3 (Aberdeen x 3) Lost 8 Two draws and nine defeats if you consider the penalty shoot-out to be a defeat. Apologises they are wrong. I don't know where I got those numbers, It was late and I was still in shock from hearing Gavin Wallace on killietv say 'ten man hamilton have a penalty' This is more accurate if you just consider the league. Lost 1 Motherwell home 2 Rangers away 3 st mirren home 4 St Johnstone away 5 Celtic home 6 Hibs home 7 Hamilton away Drawn 1 Aberdeen home Won Ross County home Hearts away Rangers home Still pretty horrific reading. Listening to Dyer he sounds raging at the players Edited March 8, 2020 by kfc_superteam 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 8 hours ago, skygod said: Two draws and nine defeats if you consider the penalty shoot-out to be a defeat. Well given the meant we went out both cups i think its safe to count them as a defeat. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livvy Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 I think it's harsh to call Dyer a fraud. He's clearly a decent guy doing the best he can in a s**te set of circumstances. We have two forwards on our books and a manager who wants to play two up top. We only have three central midfield players in the current squad. For whatever reason we spoke about increasing the budget this year and then sold a player to Celtic for what must have at least been a 7 figure sum. In spite of this neither manager has been given backing to increase the size of the squad. The board wrote this season off when they appointed AD...a good coach and excellent man...at a point where he himself was sending them a message that they had to get someone in to manage the club. The players have been treated like heroes and been told all season they are not the problem but the reality is their performances are nowhere near good enough...and we don't have the personnel for a manager to change things because of this. AD is no fraud. But there is no way he should be given the job long term on recent showings. We need someone with experience and respect in the game to come in and clear out a few players to break down the mentality around the club and start again. That man would need backed by the board (even if it was only to get some loans in) to do so. I don't see that happening and with Dicker, Power, Broadfoot, Burke all a year older next year I really fear for us. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 The result against Rangers is the only one that was unexpected but then look at the run of firm they have gone on since then. We beat Hearts away but they are in turmoil. The performances are better but the players can’t put games away and make stupid mistakes. Presume we brought Broadfoot back to sort out the defence but it’s been a bit of a shambles. Time for a clear out. Too many players are getting over the hill. Also feel there are some senior players with too much power who aren’t delivering. Issue is that we have limited squad depth to drop them. If we get safe it’s time to give some of the younger players some game time but we may be playing to avoid relegation to the end of the season. if we had beaten Aberdeen and Accies which you can argue we should have done them we’d have been in a good position for the top 6. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, livvy said: For whatever reason we spoke about increasing the budget this year and then sold a player to Celtic for what must have at least been a 7 figure sum. In spite of this neither manager has been given backing to increase the size of the squad. It was mentioned at the AGM that Dyer knocked back the chance to sign a number of players for a variety of reasons. He’s not exactly innocent in the whole recruitment situation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 30 minutes ago, livvy said: The board wrote this season off when they appointed AD...a good coach and excellent man...at a point where he himself was sending them a message that they had to get someone in to manage the club. We really needed to be decisive and appoint a new.permanent manager when Alessio left. If the board had reservations about AA, they could have lined up a replacement before firing him. The new man would then have had the benefit of the January break to recruit and to familiarise himself with the squad. Now we face the prospect of the same issues as last close season - no manager and few players left under contract The board has bent over backwards with AD, keeping him on last summer, giving him an extended period as interim manage, and BB rashly endorsing him as his pick for permanent manager. For the good of the club, they need to show they have the will to make the unpalatable decisions which are part and parcel of the game. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillieBoys1869 Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 In Angelo's last 15 games, we got 22 points, in dyers first 15 games, we have got 10. If the reason why aa was sacked was due to performances, then surely we cant sign AD full time 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All the Wine Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 10 hours ago, kfc_superteam said: 15 games, 3 wins, 1 draw, 11 defeats. I'm sorry Mr Bowie but if you think this is good enough then you have to think again. Worrying think is the fact that Billy expects him to be manager next season. Performances have been better but unless we won the majority of our last games he needs to go Those stats are horrendous I didn't realise it was as bad. Can't defend that at all imo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Robertson Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 35 minutes ago, KillieBoys1869 said: In Angelo's last 15 games, we got 22 points, in dyers first 15 games, we have got 10. If the reason why aa was sacked was due to performances, then surely we cant sign AD full time Its becoming more apparent that AA was never the problem 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewWylie Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 18 hours ago, aldo said: The three frauds are on the board. Get them gone Watch yourself or you’ll have the trust mafia looking for you -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCM Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) The guys not a fraud, just not the man for the job. Form since he took over is worrying and although we should be safe enough it is worrying times again. Form in last 15 matches. Edited March 8, 2020 by GCM Added what table was 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All the Wine Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 10 hours ago, skygod said: They are also, I think, wrong! Played 15 Won 4 (QP, Ross County, Hearts, Rangers) Drawn 3 (Aberdeen x 3) Lost 8 Two draws and nine defeats if you consider the extra-time to be a defeat. That's much better 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojike and Bod Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 53 minutes ago, GCM said: The guys not a fraud, just not the man for the job. Form since he took over is worrying and although we should be safe enough it is worrying times again. Form in last 15 matches. Yet still people think Dyer is the man for the job. Most worryingly our club majority shareholder. This table is the damning evidence of Dyers tenure so far and should end any debate as to whether he should be here next season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conorsammonbaldyhead Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 He's not a fraud in the slightest. He's just a guy who wants to do his best but unfortunately for him his inexperience is showing through and the signs have been there since the start of his reign for me. I really really like the guy but I don't want him as manager. If it's true the board are to appoint him, he should be man enough to admit he isn't up to it. Similar mould to mcculloch, without the rangers connection. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 59 minutes ago, GCM said: The guys not a fraud, just not the man for the job. Form since he took over is worrying and although we should be safe enough it is worrying times again. Form in last 15 matches. That form isn’t worrying. It’s terrible. If we hadn’t put some extra points on the board under AA we’d be bottom of the league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrogate Peter Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 I can only hope that the angry response he came up with after latest disaster shows AD now knows that needs to tackle clique rather than pander to it! Broadfoot and Dicker never should have played yesterday! For me next Saturday is his last chance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 Absolutely no way that someone like Dyer should be called a fraud. He stepped up and took the job when he clearly didn't want it, and is doing what he can. He's the last person I blame in this debacle. Only real questions I have of him is why he is picking Broadfoot over Del Fabro. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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