gdevoy Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 Can someone explaexplain why GH would leave a job where he says he is happy and it is clearly working for him to come to the shambles that is KFC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan76 Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, gdevoy said: Can someone explaexplain why GH would leave a job where he says he is happy and it is clearly working for him to come to the shambles that is KFC. I'd imagine he would have more money to spend, be paid more himself and freedom to pick his own teams. Remember Martindale calls the shots at Livi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 This Fred just jogged my memory, I remember JF talking about the next manger. We then went and appointed AD till end of season 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonbon19 Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, piffer said: For me the club should not be dictating to a manager who is on their staff. In terms of physios, sports science etc that should be in place but Assistant, coach and gk coach has to be the managers choice. You’d think so but this boards inexperience wrt football minded people to consult and there perhaps desire to save some pennies has resulted in the current cobbled together management team 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onlyonecolinmckee Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, All the Wine said: Why? Are you pals with him? Nope just feel he’s a good manager, dual promotions with Livingston. Gave them platform to stay up and for holt to build on. followed by a daft move down south. But then back at it with morton. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonbon19 Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 David Hopkins “style “ was punt and run was it not ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 Just now, Bonbon19 said: David Hopkins “style “ was punt and run was it not ? Our players like running 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 The only thing that would disappoint me about Holt getting it would be if we didn't at least entertain applications from other people. If we go through a proper recruitment, and Holt is the best candidate, I am fully on board 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panman Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 Should b phoning him up today offering him the post -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bute-killiefan Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Panman said: Should b phoning him up today offering him the post We really shouldn't 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee_Eck1979 Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Pride_of_ayrshire said: Dyer isnt permanent. He was given the job on a interm basis till the summer. Same as what McCulloch was after lee clark left. He was firstly caretaker tfn then JF announced him as permanent manger till the end of the season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dasboag Posted March 8, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, bute-killiefan said: We really shouldn't Not a personal dig, but there are a lot of posts like this on this forum around Gary Holt. Can someone please explain the whole Gary Holt is useless/the-world-revolves-around-Martindale character theory please? Genuine question and I mean properly explain - use 'allegedly' if you need, but so many people seem to post from a position of being 'in-the-know' and seeing it over again reads like one of those tiresome Facebook posts where everyone else chimes in with "will PM you hunni.x." in response. From my viewpoint Holt had the youth at Norwich, and was successful enough to be given charge of Falkirk. I remember his Falkirk team being praised for good football. Then went back to Norwich as Assistant Manager (I think) with Neil, did alright, but good for the CV. Since then has been in charge of a Livi side that remind me of Killie in the early 90s - difficult to beat and can grind out results parking the bus, with a real spirit and actually better going forward than they get credit for in games where it suits them. Seems (to me) that Holt so far has been a man who adjusts well to his environment. He has knowledge of several tiers of Scottish football and is dyed in the wool Killie.....whats not to like? I could picture him as our next long-term manager, as in 5-10 years in charge - regardless of whether its this summer or later. Am I wrong? Edited March 9, 2020 by dasboag breaking swear filter 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyjohnston Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 Just to add to dasboag's post, Holt or Livi are taking a chance on a load of Scottish players from lower league or need a 2nd chance at SPFL level. This is a blueprint that many on here would advocate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) We couldn’t chase Scott Robinson out of the club quickly enough. Sometimes it’s just a matter of the player being at the right club for him, and being given the chance to play. Edited March 9, 2020 by skygod 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie billies pal Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 We do need to be careful about the next appointment, we need someone who has a track record that will make players think twice before going behind his back, we need to be together again. oh and just for the record, Livi have two points less than us over the past six games, strange but true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 Giving people a chance isn’t really the Killie way though is it? HE’LL NO DAE is the Killie Way ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cammy2012 Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, dasboag said: Not a personal dig, but there are a lot of posts like this on this forum around Gary Holt. Can someone please explain the whole Gary Holt is useless/the-world-revolves-around-Martindale character theory please? Genuine question and I mean properly explain - use 'allegedly' if you need, but so many people seem to post from a position of being 'in-the-know' and seeing it over again reads like one of those tiresome Facebook posts where everyone else chimes in with "will PM you hunni.x." in response. From my viewpoint Holt had the youth at Norwich, and was successful enough to be given charge of Falkirk. I remember his Falkirk team being praised for good football. Then went back to Norwich as Assistant Manager (I think) with Neil, did alright, but good for the CV. Since then has been in charge of a Livi side that remind me of Killie in the early 90s - difficult to beat and can grind out results parking the bus, with a real spirit and actually better going forward than they get credit for in games where it suits them. Seems (to me) that Holt so far has been a man who adjusts well to his environment. He has knowledge of several tiers of Scottish football and is dyed in the wool Killie.....whats not to like? I could picture him as our next long-term manager, as in 5-10 years in charge - regardless of whether its this summer or Well said. I'd never heard of 'Martindale' until I saw his name on this forum. Looked him up and it appears he's dodgy. How does that translate into being Gary Holt's puppet master at Livi. I smell bulls**t. Go on those who write this crap. Provide evidence or shut the f**k up. Holt for me as next manager. Edited March 9, 2020 by cammy2012 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 If, and I stress if, there’s a suspicion Martindale is Peter Taylor to Holt’s Brian Clough, just sign both. Who cares about his dodgy past, it’s a winning football team we’re trying to put together, not a church choir. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz65 Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Zorro said: If, and I stress if, there’s a suspicion Martindale is Peter Taylor to Holt’s Brian Clough, just sign both. Who cares about his dodgy past, it’s a winning football team we’re trying to put together, not a church choir. It would also make a change to be able to get some decent gear in Killie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killieboykfc Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 6 hours ago, skygod said: We couldn’t chase Scott Robinson out of the club quickly enough. Sometimes it’s just a matter of the player being at the right club for him, and being given the chance to play. He was one of the worst players I’ve ever seen for us. He plays much further forward for Livi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 10 hours ago, dasboag said: Can someone please explain the whole Gary Holt is useless/the-world-revolves-around-Martindale character theory please? Presented with no opinion from me on whether its accurate or not - but the story is that Martindale is an excellent coach whose past means he can't be involved to the extent he would be otherwise. I've heard his convictions mean he can't do his coaching badges? No idea if that's true. So the theory goes they need someone to be manager and let him do the work behind the scenes. There have been stories that Martindale does all the tactical work and largely sets up the team. I've heard alleged examples apparently from players that Holt is a good motivator and alright coach but his involvement in training is minimal. Will caveat that by saying its from sources who have turned out to be completely wrong about other things... But it's a story that does the rounds still. Will also add when you do hear these stories there's no indication that Holt isn't respected, it just seems to be presented that the system works. David Hopkin feeds into this. Livi played brilliantly under him and got those promotions. He was a complete disaster at Bradford and now has Morton massively underperforming in the Championship. The same stories went about about Hopkin and there was chat that was why he moved on so quickly (ie jumped quick because he knew he might never get a better offer). There's then another layer above with Martindale which I don't follow fully which is that there is something dodgy going on at Livi on the business side and he is involved in that... Again - no idea what all that's about but it comes up. As I said - no idea whatsoever if any of that is true but those are the stories that get told. I haven't ever heard it suggested that Holt is useless though, more that there's a question mark about how he'd do on his own. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindes57 Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 Get him phoned today...….Wish him happy birthday and then offer him the job 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrogate Peter Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, hindes57 said: Get him phoned today...….Wish him happy birthday and then offer him the job If he's a Pisces could that explain 'something fishy' stories about Livi? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skora11 Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, mitch14 said: Presented with no opinion from me on whether its accurate or not - but the story is that Martindale is an excellent coach whose past means he can't be involved to the extent he would be otherwise. I've heard his convictions mean he can't do his coaching badges? No idea if that's true. So the theory goes they need someone to be manager and let him do the work behind the scenes. There have been stories that Martindale does all the tactical work and largely sets up the team. I've heard alleged examples apparently from players that Holt is a good motivator and alright coach but his involvement in training is minimal. Will caveat that by saying its from sources who have turned out to be completely wrong about other things... But it's a story that does the rounds still. Will also add when you do hear these stories there's no indication that Holt isn't respected, it just seems to be presented that the system works. David Hopkin feeds into this. Livi played brilliantly under him and got those promotions. He was a complete disaster at Bradford and now has Morton massively underperforming in the Championship. The same stories went about about Hopkin and there was chat that was why he moved on so quickly (ie jumped quick because he knew he might never get a better offer). There's then another layer above with Martindale which I don't follow fully which is that there is something dodgy going on at Livi on the business side and he is involved in that... Again - no idea what all that's about but it comes up. As I said - no idea whatsoever if any of that is true but those are the stories that get told. I haven't ever heard it suggested that Holt is useless though, more that there's a question mark about how he'd do on his own. Pretty sure Hopkins is doing a decent job at Morton at the moment. Think he just won the manager of the month award. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 I’m pretty sure Martindale has taken charge of a few Livi games in the past. It would seem odd that he’d be allowed to manage on a temporary basis but not as a permanent appointment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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