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[Scooter]

On 5/15/2020 at 3:32 PM, cammy_boy said:

I never post on here. But you clearly have mental issues. 

It's clear to most, except the sufferer. Antisocial personality disorder, delusions and confused and disturbed thoughts are well known symptoms of psychosis. 

[Mclean07]

1 hour ago, Scooter said:

Can feel the seethe from here, watch you dinny burst a blood vessel there old man.

The SNP hasn't done a fraction of what the Westminster machine has done to our towns, our counties and our country over the past 40 years, you can't put that on them.

The reality is the Tories laid waste to production and manufacturing up and down the country and the one Labour government that gave folk hope "things can only get better" did NOTHING to reverse that. Don't you hate that?

Two cheeks of the same arse, in hock to the real power, the money men in the City and the guys who live on private islands. And that will never change while they have useful idiots like you to keep the mass delusion alive.

Shame on you that you'd rather have a Tory PM in Westminster than a Labour FM in Indy Scotland.

You’re right that Labour couldn’t magic new industry into places that the tories destroyed, but public and community assets were rebuilt and until the banking crisis there was an unprecedented run of growth. Real people in your towns were massively assisted with more money in their pockets from tax credits (I saw it every day myself) and more children and pensioners were taken out of poverty than ever before. Local authorities were properly funded and on top of this the Scottish Parliament was formed. And before you say anything the SNP were totally on board with the banks. So, no, Labour can’t just return us to having major industries, just like when challenged you don’t have a clue how to, either. Anyway, if it’s all so easy, let’s hear in detail what the  SNP, after 12 years in power and the ability to raise taxes have done for your towns. If you can’t provide a list of the things that they have done that Labour didn’t, your argument is destroyed. I won’t be back in till tomorrow, so looking forward to even some small achievements. Have a good day.

 

Edited May 17, 2020 by Mclean07

[gdevoy]

36 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

You’re right that Labour couldn’t magic new industry into places that the tories destroyed, but public and community assets were rebuilt and until the banking crisis there was an unprecedented run of growth. Real people in your towns were massively assisted with more money in their pockets from tax credits (I saw it every day myself) and more children and pensioners were taken out of poverty than ever before. Local authorities were properly funded and on top of this the Scottish Parliament was formed. And before you say anything the SNP were totally on board with the banks. So, no, Labour can’t just return us to having major industries, just like when challenged you don’t have a clue how to, either. Anyway, if it’s all so easy, let’s hear in detail what the  SNP, after 12 years in power and the ability to raise taxes have done for your towns. If you can’t provide a list of the things that they have done that Labour didn’t, your argument is destroyed. I won’t be back in till tomorrow, so looking forward to even some small achievements. Have a good day.

 

Dont think the SNP have been too stellar. I believe they gave mitigated the Tory rape clause, taken away the toll on the Skye bridge, abolished prescription charges and a few other bits and pieces. By contrast Tonee did absolutely hee haw to roll back Thatchers destruction. In fact he drive through yet more sell offs to the private sector and to the outside observer seemed to be simply continuing the Thatcher disaster.

[harley]

The Labour party when in power had full fiscal control of the UK budget to carry out the things you mention McLean as you well know. Scottish government has to run things according to what the Tory government now gives them. As for tax raising powers in Scotland it is near impossible to mitigate the Tory cuts when we only have control over about 30% of our tax raising powers. If we were independent I think you would probably be quite happy about what follows.

[Shropshire_killie]

Quite ironic McLeans hatred of the SNP and by association Nicola. Down here from numerous sources, friends and others, there is admiration for her conduct during this fiasco, including a remark that she would be better running the UK. 

[gdevoy]

1 hour ago, Shropshire_killie said:

Quite ironic McLeans hatred of the SNP and by association Nicola. Down here from numerous sources, friends and others, there is admiration for her conduct during this fiasco, including a remark that she would be better running the UK. 

You might not like her politics but she is a better politician than Johnston. 

[harley]

22 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

You’re right that Labour couldn’t magic new industry into places that the tories destroyed, but public and community assets were rebuilt and until the banking crisis there was an unprecedented run of growth. Real people in your towns were massively assisted with more money in their pockets from tax credits (I saw it every day myself) and more children and pensioners were taken out of poverty than ever before. Local authorities were properly funded and on top of this the Scottish Parliament was formed. And before you say anything the SNP were totally on board with the banks. So, no, Labour can’t just return us to having major industries, just like when challenged you don’t have a clue how to, either. Anyway, if it’s all so easy, let’s hear in detail what the  SNP, after 12 years in power and the ability to raise taxes have done for your towns. If you can’t provide a list of the things that they have done that Labour didn’t, your argument is destroyed. I won’t be back in till tomorrow, so looking forward to even some small achievements. Have a good day.

 

Your beloved Labour representatives would never cosy up to Trump or Murdoch, would they Mclean? You are a hypocrite. I copied in the last couple of pics with Blair & Bush to remind you that it was the Labour party who started an illegal war & flung the whole world into turmoil which still persists today.

Trump becomes Scotland ambassador

Mr Trump will join the the Globalscot network to promote Scotland US business tycoon Donald Trump is to become an ambassador for Scotland, it has been announced.

 It came as the billionaire New Yorker ended a three-day visit to Scotland in which he promoted a £300m golf course he plans for Aberdeenshire.

After accepting an invitation from First Minister Jack McConnell, Mr Trump will join a network of influential people who promote the country. Mr McConnell said he was delighted the tycoon had taken up the offer, adding: "This is a good bit of business for all concerned."

 

 

 

[Scooter]

22 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

You’re right that Labour couldn’t magic new industry into places that the tories destroyed,

What you talking about, using "magic"? They had 13 years to come up with actual policies, or even the shape of a plan.

Might we have been better putting Sooty n Sweep into power?

NuLabour's 'vision' excluded actually making things. The leadership never said or showed he believed in the workers that put them in power to make things better. Folk don't want handouts, they wanted jobs, but negative messaging saw fathers telling their sons manufacturing was all over, lots took early retirement and owners sold out rather than buy new machinery and invest in the future.

Brown fawned on financial power and worshipped it's excesses. Capital will be safe with Labour, he told the boardrooms and returns were guaranteed for the companies owning water, nuclear and train companies. Profits were privatised instead of being reinvested in the country ...but the City's fallibility was proved in the crash, when losses were gleefully socialised using our taxes, our gold and our pensions.

They did nothing for the working man or woman and that is why they're in the s**tter for now and the foreseeable future.

[gdevoy]

20 minutes ago, harley said:

I copied in the last couple of pics with Blair & Bush to remind you that it was the Labour party who started an illegal war & flung the whole world into turmoil which still persists today.

 

Actually a really embarrassing gallery for Salmond, McConnel, Blair and Brown. That's why I refuse to back any lot wholeheartedly. They have all supped with the devil at some point.

[gdevoy]

19 minutes ago, Scooter said:

What you talking about, using "magic"? They had 13 years to come up with actual policies, or even the shape of a plan.

Might we have been better putting Sooty n Sweep into power?

NuLabour's 'vision' excluded actually making things. The leadership never said or showed he believed in the workers that put them in power to make things better. Folk don't want handouts, they wanted jobs, but negative messaging saw fathers telling their sons manufacturing was all over, lots took early retirement and owners sold out rather than buy new machinery and invest in the future.

Brown fawned on financial power and worshipped it's excesses. Capital will be safe with Labour, he told the boardrooms and returns were guaranteed for the companies owning water, nuclear and train companies. Profits were privatised instead of being reinvested in the country ...but the City's fallibility was proved in the crash, when losses were gleefully socialised using our taxes, our gold and our pensions.

They did nothing for the working man or woman and that is why they're in the s**tter for now and the foreseeable future.

Sounds fair.

[Beaker71]

27 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

Sounds fair.

And accurat3x its only McLean who cannot see it.

Theres none so blind that willny see.  This fits McLean so perfectly. 

He prattles on about the SNP cult, but a cult is often described as rhise with an EXTREME dedication to a certain leader or set of beliefs which are often viewed as odd by others.

In this respect unionism where you hand control of your nation to a group of sociopathic right wing imbeciles, rather than move to the NORMAL situation of independence certainly clears up who is in a cult.

[Zorro]

There was a time Labour stood for a fair days pay for a fair days work. People didn’t need handouts to top up their wages. People didn’t need two or three jobs to survive. When I was a kid a household could get by on one parent working. If Labour had any real concern for workers, they’d have introduced a real legal minimum wage that people could actually live on. This bunch of Charlatans decided to foist the burden onto taxpayers though.  Which meant less tax revenue was available for schools, less tax revenue was available for health, less tax revenue was available for public services, less tax revenue was available for policing.  Put the cost of services on the never, never PFI scheme; screwing the public again but handing huge profits to the city investors. This was probably the greatest theft of public wealth on record. 

[Mclean07]

3 hours ago, Scooter said:

What you talking about, using "magic"? They had 13 years to come up with actual policies, or even the shape of a plan.

Might we have been better putting Sooty n Sweep into power?

NuLabour's 'vision' excluded actually making things. The leadership never said or showed he believed in the workers that put them in power to make things better. Folk don't want handouts, they wanted jobs, but negative messaging saw fathers telling their sons manufacturing was all over, lots took early retirement and owners sold out rather than buy new machinery and invest in the future.

Brown fawned on financial power and worshipped it's excesses. Capital will be safe with Labour, he told the boardrooms and returns were guaranteed for the companies owning water, nuclear and train companies. Profits were privatised instead of being reinvested in the country ...but the City's fallibility was proved in the crash, when losses were gleefully socialised using our taxes, our gold and our pensions.

They did nothing for the working man or woman and that is why they're in the s**tter for now and the foreseeable future.

So despite the awfulness of Labour, not one single tho g that he can name that the SNP have done for his town, just criticism again of Labour, who actually put money in people’s pockets. He uses the Tory trope of”handouts”. Maybe Labour was just a bit cautious that a high minimum wage would destroy jobs in smaller business or the large global employers would do what they do and move country. You know, that horrible tho g called the real world. Maybe he expected the. To reopen the Killoch and Barony Pits and order Volvo, Massey Ferguson etc back to Ayrshire and open factories. No, because it’s fantastically difficult in the real world. I sometimes wonder if you’ve ever been out of Kilmarnock.

So, I’ll ask again, given even local councils can stimulate economic activity, what industries have the nationalists brought to Ayrshire in twelve years and what have they done specifically to improve your town. C’mon, it must be easy. Also, why have they not set the living wage, at say £15 an hour, if it’s so easy. That’s the kind of thing you wanted Labour to do. 
 

C’mon, I want to hear all these imaginative, progressive, social democratic initiatives they have introduced in Ayrshire. Sitting on the sidelines is easy. Doing something, not so much. 
 

Looking forward to tomorrow. 

[Mclean07]

3 hours ago, harley said:

Your beloved Labour representatives would never cosy up to Trump or Murdoch, would they Mclean? You are a hypocrite. I copied in the last couple of pics with Blair & Bush to remind you that it was the Labour party who started an illegal war & flung the whole world into turmoil which still persists today.

Trump becomes Scotland ambassador

Mr Trump will join the the Globalscot network to promote Scotland US business tycoon Donald Trump is to become an ambassador for Scotland, it has been announced.

 It came as the billionaire New Yorker ended a three-day visit to Scotland in which he promoted a £300m golf course he plans for Aberdeenshire.

After accepting an invitation from First Minister Jack McConnell, Mr Trump will join a network of influential people who promote the country. Mr McConnell said he was delighted the tycoon had taken up the offer, adding: "This is a good bit of business for all concerned."

 

 

 

You spectacularly miss the point. I deal in the real world where you have to deal with all types. And so would the Nats have to, if they ever had to do real politics rather than that of the playgroup. They were fully behind the corporate world. 

[Scooter]

I've heard of the "dignity of work" and the rights of workers ... but never the 'dignity of tax credits'! 

[Mclean07]

38 minutes ago, Zorro said:

There was a time Labour stood for a fair days pay for a fair days work. People didn’t need handouts to top up their wages. People didn’t need two or three jobs to survive. When I was a kid a household could get by on one parent working. If Labour had any real concern for workers, they’d have introduced a real legal minimum wage that people could actually live on. This bunch of Charlatans decided to foist the burden onto taxpayers though.  Which meant less tax revenue was available for schools, less tax revenue was available for health, less tax revenue was available for public services, less tax revenue was available for policing.  Put the cost of services on the never, never PFI scheme; screwing the public again but handing huge profits to the city investors. This was probably the greatest theft of public wealth on record. 

Salmond’s signature policy for years was a race to the bottom on Corporation Tax. He thought the big companies needed even more money at the expense of the public purse, screwing the public again. 

[Mclean07]

1 minute ago, Scooter said:

I've heard of the "dignity of work" and the rights of workers ... but never the 'dignity of tax credits'! 

I look forward to your alternatives and why the SNP haven’t implemented it....along with the details if the attempts to return industry to Ayrshire. I can help with one example. I briefly worked for a minimum wage call centre after I retired. Pictures on the wall of Sturgeon celebrating it. 

[DrewWylie]

Question for independence clowns , if we were independent would we be able to survive this without becoming bankrupt ?  And what is wee burnie going to do when Westminster decides to stop or dramatically cut the furlough payments , will she still tell Scots not to go to work ? 

[Scooter]

38 minutes ago, DrewWylie said:

Question for independence clowns , if we were independent would we be able to survive this without becoming bankrupt ?  And what is wee burnie going to do when Westminster decides to stop or dramatically cut the furlough payments , will she still tell Scots not to go to work ? 

Sounds like you never left your mother's tit!

[Zorro]

38 minutes ago, DrewWylie said:

Question for independence clowns , if we were independent would we be able to survive this without becoming bankrupt ?  And what is wee burnie going to do when Westminster decides to stop or dramatically cut the furlough payments , will she still tell Scots not to go to work ? 

Question for unionist wanksocks. How many independent countries have went bankrupt due to covid-19? And how many fewer people do you think would’ve died if we hadn’t had to follow Westminster’s idiotic herd immunity policies in the early days and hadn’t allowed 18 million people to fly into the U.K. without any testing or quarantine before allowing them to mingle freely with the general population?

[Bonbon19]

3 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

So despite the awfulness of Labour, not one single tho g that he can name that the SNP have done for his town, just criticism again of Labour, who actually put money in people’s pockets. He uses the Tory trope of”handouts”. Maybe Labour was just a bit cautious that a high minimum wage would destroy jobs in smaller business or the large global employers would do what they do and move country. You know, that horrible tho g called the real world. Maybe he expected the. To reopen the Killoch and Barony Pits and order Volvo, Massey Ferguson etc back to Ayrshire and open factories. No, because it’s fantastically difficult in the real world. I sometimes wonder if you’ve ever been out of Kilmarnock.

So, I’ll ask again, given even local councils can stimulate economic activity, what industries have the nationalists brought to Ayrshire in twelve years and what have they done specifically to improve your town. C’mon, it must be easy. Also, why have they not set the living wage, at say £15 an hour, if it’s so easy. That’s the kind of thing you wanted Labour to do. 
 

C’mon, I want to hear all these imaginative, progressive, social democratic initiatives they have introduced in Ayrshire. Sitting on the sidelines is easy. Doing something, not so much. 
 

Looking forward to tomorrow. 

My family had unfortunately the experience of 3 factory closures in Kilmarnock , Glenfield and Kennedy , Massey Ferguson and Diageo . And in every occasion the govts at the time , Labour and SNP , I’m sure tried their best to stop these closures by various means , but the truth of the matter was that these industries and their products were either no longer needed in such numbers of could be produced cheaper elsewhere , this also applies to the mining industries . 
To expect govts of any persuasion to overturn decisions taken at a Multi National company’s  board is naive and very rarely happens . In the case of Massey Ferguson my father was involved in the study of its efficiency and it was proven to be more so than its sister factory in France , but nonetheless  its board chose France over Kilmarnock. To blame the sitting govt of the time for these closures is wrong 
You could argue that leftist govts would try that bit more than a Tory one but that’s another topic . 

[Shropshire_killie]

9 minutes ago, Bonbon19 said:

My family had unfortunately the experience of 3 factory closures in Kilmarnock , Glenfield and Kennedy , Massey Ferguson and Diageo . And in every occasion the govts at the time , Labour and SNP , I’m sure tried their best to stop these closures by various means , but the truth of the matter was that these industries and their products were either no longer needed in such numbers of could be produced cheaper elsewhere , this also applies to the mining industries . 
To expect govts of any persuasion to overturn decisions taken at a Multi National company’s  board is naive and very rarely happens . In the case of Massey Ferguson my father was involved in the study of its efficiency and it was proven to be more so than its sister factory in France , but nonetheless  its board chose France over Kilmarnock. To blame the sitting govt of the time for these closures is wrong 
You could argue that leftist govts would try that bit more than a Tory one but that’s another topic . 

My dad was at Masseys Bonbon. British Leyland Oxford recruited a fair few of the lads, when it closed, hence me moving south. Was gutted as I was 17 but everywhere in Ayrshire seemed to be hit very hard with closures. 

with apologies for digression!

Edited May 18, 2020 by Shropshire_killie
Added a bit

[gdevoy]

4 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

So despite the awfulness of Labour, not one single tho g that he can name that the SNP have done for his town, just criticism again of Labour, who actually put money in people’s pockets. 

Regardless of your own conviction that Labour have helped those on lower incomes significantly more than the SNP I myself and it would seem a large number of the people of Scotland can find no evidence of it. The SNP as I say have fallen short in many ways but really it says it all when a party set up with the intention of obtaining independence have done no worse than a party whose raison d'etre is to empower working people.

Regarding Brown's tax credits idea it took the Tories about 10 minutes to kick that house of cards over yet in ten years Nu Labour never rowed back any of Tharcher's attacks on working peoples dignity.  Like forcing councils to sell their housing stock off at rock bottom prices without the ability to replace it. A policy designed to divide working people yet Labour did nothing about it.

Or the minimum wage, a policy which legitimises poverty wages. As you say Wee Nicola was probably trumpeting that as a victory too. Lets see Brown or Blair try to get by on their own minimum wage.

The Labour party of Blair would have been an embarrassment to the founding fathers had they still been alive. 

[Scooter]

1 hour ago, gdevoy said:

The Labour party of Blair would have been an embarrassment to the founding fathers had they still been alive. 

Correct! It takes some amount of balding forelock tugging to defend the indefensible! 

[Beaker71]

5 hours ago, DrewWylie said:

Question for independence clowns , if we were independent would we be able to survive this without becoming bankrupt ?  And what is wee burnie going to do when Westminster decides to stop or dramatically cut the furlough payments , will she still tell Scots not to go to work ? 

Question for unionist forelock tugging idiots.  If this is a union you constantly tell us, why would a chancellor decide to stop or reduce such payments when public health dictates otherwise, other than to force one founding part to bend their knee and do as London bids????

Honeslty you absolute clowns behave in the manner of supporting a foreign entity in a war against your own people. 

Answer the question WHY this would be done, WHY?  Are Scots lives with less then English lives, or is all life on this island simply worthless in the face of right wing capitalism, which you lot will support above and before anything?