Fill Yer Boots, Folks!

[Beaker71]

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/30/boris-johnsons-test-and-tracing-system-britain-lockdown?__twitter_impression=true

Ok read this and try and say Scotland avoiding this clusterf**k is not a good idea.

Cmon McLean and others who have refused to say one word of criticism of the UK Gov't,  but jump on anything remotely negative about @scot.gov.

What do you say about this latest avaokute clusterf**k from your beloved UK.

[Shropshire_killie]

9 hours ago, Beaker71 said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/30/boris-johnsons-test-and-tracing-system-britain-lockdown?__twitter_impression=true

Ok read this and try and say Scotland avoiding this clusterf**k is not a good idea.

Cmon McLean and others who have refused to say one word of criticism of the UK Gov't,  but jump on anything remotely negative about @scot.gov.

What do you say about this latest avaokute clusterf**k from your beloved UK.

That's shocking and flies in the face of what Jenny Harries said yesterday.

[gdevoy]

12 hours ago, Beaker71 said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/30/boris-johnsons-test-and-tracing-system-britain-lockdown?__twitter_impression=true

Ok read this and try and say Scotland avoiding this clusterf**k is not a good idea.

Cmon McLean and others who have refused to say one word of criticism of the UK Gov't,  but jump on anything remotely negative about @scot.gov.

What do you say about this latest avaokute clusterf**k from your beloved UK.

Unlike Shropshure, I cant say I am surprised at all. Peopke hear stuff on the TV from Givernment Ministers, both Scottish and UK,  and that is good enough for them. They have not a scobie about how complex some of these systems might be. The Government might as well announce we are launching a rocket to the moon next week fir all the credibility their claims have. There is no "highly trained staff". Where did these people come from?

When I collected my PC from our highly trained IT staff for home working I had to explain to him how to log in.

Edited June 1, 2020 by gdevoy

[Zorro]

16 hours ago, Shropshire_killie said:

Funnily enough was just thinking now the UK is "past the peak", is it time for them to explain the shocking death rate and continued rate of infection as an island . The overall cock up is that of WM with travel and yes you can solely bash the SNP if you chose (or any devolved govt), but they are and always will be constrained by WM but also subliminally forced to follow some of their "expert" guidance. The shocking neglect of care homes perhaps evidenced in this. Be interesting to hear the full story on this as I thought it was WM that said risk to care homes was minimal. 

The U.K. is like a house with a huge hole in the roof. It had been raining for months and the water was leaking everywhere. Some people on here want to blame whoever was last in the kitchen for the puddle on the floor, rather than identifying the root cause. In their heads it makes sense that every wet patch in the house can be attributed to the puddle in the kitchen. They don’t seem to understand it doesn’t matter how many times you mop up the mess, it’s just going to keep reappearing until the hole in the roof is fixed. Unfortunately we’re only tenants and don’t have the power to fix our roof. It doesn’t help that the landlord is a buffoon only interested in money rather than the health of the people living in the house. He thinks summer is here and the rain will disappear. He’s totally ignoring the scientific advice that the rain will come back. 

[Mclean07]

Asked about Scotland’s tragic care home deaths, all she can talk about is “fake news” from England. Trump at his best. Look at the face. 

Imagine her getting this message across if she had got her way and kept her CMO? 
 

But she’s “protecting us”. “Thank you Nicola”, say the school kids.

And good Killie man, Smiffy, nails it again. 

[Mclean07]

 

Just like the old days........Scotland playing it’s part for the empire!!

[gdevoy]

18 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

Asked about Scotland’s tragic care home deaths, all she can talk about is “fake news” from England. Trump at his best. Look at the face. 

If you took the time to read the quote you would see that she was responding to a comparison with England so it's difficult to see how she could answer without referring to the "numbers" in England.

And again, if you read the words you would see, that just like me Nicola Sturgeon is not convinced by the reliability of anybody's figures right now.

What I will grant you is..........................

1) The care homes situation is a s**tshow, it certainly is not the SNP's finest hour. And Nicola sturgeon is as likely to publicly admit that as Boris is to admit that Dominic Cummings is a selfish we arrogant s**t who thinks he is above the law. 
2) The Westmister Government are about as reliable as a long range weather forecast and as competent as Mr Magoo on acid. If they told me it was raining I would go outside to check.

 

[Killiepies]

56 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

 

Just like the old days........Scotland playing it’s part for the empire!!

Leading from the front in some cases .900 untested patients discharged straight into care homes 

[aldo]

1 hour ago, Mclean07 said:

 

Just like the old days........Scotland playing it’s part for the empire!!

The ultimate proof that the union isn't working 

[Zorro]

1 hour ago, Mclean07 said:

And good Killie man, Smiffy, nails it again. 

Smiffy seems a bit of an idiot. He probably spends much of our games berating McKenzie and screaming for the ball to be played forward quicker. However, for those genuinely interested in the welfare of the elderly, rather than these pathetic trolling exercises - patients can be isolated in care homes, pending Covid-19 test results. The single rooms in care homes make for an ideal setup for barrier nursing. Any care home which didn’t take these precautions has failed in its duty of care to its other residents. 

 

[Mcilroy56]

2 hours ago, Zorro said:

Smiffy seems a bit of an idiot. He probably spends much of our games berating McKenzie and screaming for the ball to be played forward quicker. However, for those genuinely interested in the welfare of the elderly, rather than these pathetic trolling exercises - patients can be isolated in care homes, pending Covid-19 test results. The single rooms in care homes make for an ideal setup for barrier nursing. Any care home which didn’t take these precautions has failed in its duty of care to its other residents. 

 

Don’t you know you are supposed to copy and paste SNP bad twitter p1sh that only shows the single minded thoughts of the unionist cult believers, irrespective of whether it is only half truths. Cmon when will you realise that union jacksters don’t like the truth. 

[gdevoy]

3 hours ago, Zorro said:

 Any care home which didn’t take these precautions has failed in its duty of care to its other residents. 

 

I dont think care comes are really set up for infectious disease control. 

Fir the avoidance of doubt I am not about to jump on the Jacson Carlaw led SNP bad bandwagon. I just think care homes are low ranging fruit to this virus in every country it has hit. FFS, in Spain a care home was found deserted and full of the corpses of elderly residents who bad died of covid-19.

[Zorro]

2 hours ago, gdevoy said:

I dont think care comes are really set up for infectious disease control. 
 

Care homes will have great experience in dealing with infectious diseases. I’d expect most staff had an awareness of Norovirus Or C-diff. However they weren’t being asked to look after infectious patients. They were asked to take asymptomatic patients with an unknown covid-19 status. The standard infection control protocols for those patients wouldn’t differ greatly from anything they had dealt with before. 

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Fir the avoidance of doubt I am not about to jump on the Jacson Carlaw led SNP bad bandwagon. I just think care homes are low ranging fruit to this virus in every country it has hit. FFS, in Spain a care home was found deserted and full of the corpses of elderly residents who bad died of covid-19.

However, you did jump on the SNP bad Bandwagon when you assumed these asymptomatic patients were infected  or infectious. 

Edited June 1, 2020 by Zorro

[gdevoy]

27 minutes ago, Zorro said:

However, you did jump on the SNP bad Bandwagon when you assumed these asymptomatic patients were infectious or infectious. 

In the current climate they should not gave been discharged ifrom a hugh risk place nto a place full if vulnerable people without a test.

[Zorro]

18 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

In the current climate they should not gave been discharged ifrom a hugh risk place nto a place full if vulnerable people without a test.

In the current climate I’d expect any care setting to use standard infection control protocols. Leaving vulnerable uninfected patients in a high risk setting carried significantly more risk. 

[gdevoy]

14 minutes ago, Zorro said:

In the current climate I’d expect any care setting to use standard infection control protocols. Leaving vulnerable uninfected patients in a high risk setting carried significantly more risk. 

Thads true too.

[Zorro]

14 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

Thads true too.

So what do you do? You’ve got vulnerable patients in a high risk setting. You can test  them and they could become infected before their negative result arrives back. Not knowing they’re now infected you could move them to circulate freely, spreading the virus throughout a care home, or you could’ve moved your asymptomatic patient to a care home where no patients were showing symptoms and isolate them in their own room for fourteen days until you’re sure they’re not infected? Which one do you choose?

[gdevoy]

5 minutes ago, Zorro said:

So what do you do? You’ve got vulnerable patients in a high risk setting. You can test  them and they could become infected before their negative result arrives back. Not knowing they’re now infected you could move them to circulate freely, spreading the virus throughout a care home, or you could’ve moved your asymptomatic patient to a care home where no patients were showing symptoms and isolate them in their own room for fourteen days until you’re sure they’re not infected? Which one do you choose?

Fully "isolating" multiple hospital dischargees in separate rooms with all care home staff finteracting with them fully kitted out in PPE may gave been beyond the resources of some homes. We are talking about care homes here not nursing homes which is significantly different.

The hospitals needed  the beds but the care sector dud not appreciate the depth of the problem and was not equipped to deal with the situation. Why is it the Scittush governments fault? Why is it the care homes fault? Sometimes shut jyst happens. The fact it has happened even worse in other countries tells you there was a systemic failure to understand the risk.

[Zorro]

11 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

Fully "isolating" multiple hospital dischargees in separate rooms with all care home staff finteracting with them fully kitted out in PPE may gave been beyond the resources of some homes. We are talking about care homes here not nursing homes which is significantly different.

The hospitals needed  the beds but the care sector dud not appreciate the depth of the problem and was not equipped to deal with the situation. Why is it the Scittush governments fault? Why is it the care homes fault? Sometimes shut jyst happens. The fact it has happened even worse in other countries tells you there was a systemic failure to understand the risk.

Sorry that’s completely inaccurate. Care homes should’ve have had all the PPE required to deal with asymptomatic patients as standard practice, because the U.K. government guidelines at the time didn’t require anything beyond the standard PPE the staff should’ve been using for all patient personal care. Isolating patients in there own rooms, proper hand hygiene, regular and repeated cleaning, plus standard PPE should’ve been enough. Sure if there was a risk of droplets or respiratory fluids becoming aerosolised, masks become important. But I stress again, these patients we’re asymptomatic for a number of days before discharge from hospital was even considered. Betty with the persistent cough and the high temperatures wasn’t thrown into Abbeyview care home to infect the residents. She was kept in the hospital. 
 

I also find it difficult to believe nobody from the care sector had seen the footage from China, Italy or Spain. If they didn’t appreciate the scale of the problem they bloody well should’ve. Hospitals don’t routinely empty wards unless they have to. That should’ve been a red flag to even the dumbest care home manager. 

[Beaker71]

10 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

Asked about Scotland’s tragic care home deaths, all she can talk about is “fake news” from England. Trump at his best. Look at the face. 

Imagine her getting this message across if she had got her way and kept her CMO? 
 

But she’s “protecting us”. “Thank you Nicola”, say the school kids.

And good Killie man, Smiffy, nails it again. 

Again absolutely ZERO criticism of WM, and more look look how s**te Scotland is.  You're an embarrassment of a man, full of self loathing.

It's also a matter of some debate on the death toll in England particularly in care homes, so much so that the LSE have published a study which backs up the under reporting to such as extent that some 22000 deaths would be closer to the real number.  This blows totally out of the water the wegikent put forward by yoons on care home deaths in Scotland. 

You are a piece of work, never ever has there been anyone who hated their own nation as much as you.

[Zorro]

Funny you should mention there being an issue with the numbers being reported..,

 

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Coronavirus: Extra 445 deaths added to UK's COVID-19 total

Northern Ireland and Scotland recorded one death each on Monday, while Wales had another five and NHS England announced 108.

By Greg Heffer and Alan McGuinness, political reporters

  Monday 1 June 2020 19:34, UK

Image:A total of 39,045 people have died in the UK after testing positive for COVID-19

 

An extra 445 deaths have been added to the UK's total coronavirus fatalities, it has been revealed.

Speaking at the daily COVID-19 briefing, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said a total of 39,045 people have died in all settings after testing positive for the coronavirus.

This is 556 higher than the equivalent total announced yesterday, although the government reported the day-on-day change as 111.

Lockdown is being eased cautiously, says Hancock

The difference in the two figures is down to how deaths are being incorporated into historic data retrospectively.

The cumulative total announced by the Department of Health on Sunday was 38,489, which is 556 below today's cumulative total of 39,045.

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But since then, 445 deaths have been added to the historic data.

These are linked to cases that have been identified through testing undertaken by commercial partners, rather than in NHS and Public Health England laboratories.

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But instead of including these extra deaths in Monday's increase, the Department of Health has incorporated them within the previous cumulative total, to create a notional total for Sunday of 38,934 (38,489 + 445).

The difference between this total and Sunday's total is 111 - with this the one being reported by the government.

It comes after it was announced that there had been just one recorded death of a person with coronavirus in Scotland in the last 24 hours - but First Minister Nicola Sturgeon warned progress made against COVID-19 was "not irreversible".

Image:Nicola Sturgeon has warned that the virus has not been completely eliminated

Speaking at the Scottish government's daily coronavirus briefing, Ms Sturgeon said the latest figures showed "real progress" in stopping the spread of the disease.

A total of 2,363 patients have died in Scotland after testing positive for COVID-19, up by one from 2,362 on Sunday.

The number of people who have tested positive in Scotland rose by 18 to 15,418.

Elsewhere in the UK:

• NHS England announced 108 new deaths of people who had tested positive for COVID-19, bringing the total number of confirmed reported deaths in hospitals in England to 26,722.
• Public Health Wales said a further five people had died after testing positive for coronavirus, taking the total number of deaths in Wales to 1,347.
• Northern Ireland recorded one more death of a person who had tested positive, taking its total to 524.

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Despite the relatively small increases in deaths and new cases, Ms Sturgeon warned: "The virus has been suppressed, but it has not gone away and it is still extremely dangerous."

Since Friday, people in Scotland from two households have been able to gather outdoors in groups of up to eight, as long as they maintain social distancing.

Sitting and sunbathing in local parks is now also allowed but, while no legal limit has been placed on how far people will be allowed to travel for recreation, the Scottish government's "strong advice" is to stay within five miles.

The measures form phase one of the Scottish government's four-step planfor easing the lockdown.

On Monday, Ms Sturgeon thanked the "vast majority" of people for following the new measures, but said there were instances of people breaking the rules as she warned lockdown restrictions could be toughened.

There were 797 dispersals by Police Scotland on Saturday alone, five times higher than the figure from the previous Saturday.

Traffic statistics reported at the briefing were also a "cause for concern", the first minister added, with road use on Sunday up by 70% on the previous Sunday and a 60% increase on Saturday from the week before.

Traffic on the A82 near Loch Lomond and on the roads around Glencoe was three times higher on Saturday than it had been the previous Saturday.

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"Let me be very blunt here - it's very hard to see how all of that could have been caused by local residents or by people travelling a reasonable distance to meet loved ones," Ms Sturgeon said.

She added: "It's worth being clear, in fact I have a duty to be clear with you, that if there is continued evidence of even a minority not abiding by these guidelines and travelling unnecessarily, if people meet up in larger groups or if they're making journeys which risk spreading this virus, we will have to put these restrictions on group size and travel distance into law.

"We won't hesitate to do that if we think it's necessary for the collective safety and wellbeing of the population."

Ms Sturgeon said it was "not because I want to be imposing these restrictions, but it is because the progress we've made so far in tackling COVID-19 is simply not guaranteed and it is not irreversible".

 

 

 

[gdevoy]

13 hours ago, Zorro said:

Sorry that’s completely inaccurate. Care homes should’ve have had all the PPE required to deal with asymptomatic patients as standard practice, because the U.K. government guidelines at the time didn’t require anything beyond the standard PPE the staff should’ve been using for all patient personal care. Isolating patients in there own rooms, proper hand hygiene, regular and repeated cleaning, plus standard PPE should’ve been enough. Sure if there was a risk of droplets or respiratory fluids becoming aerosolised, masks become important. But I stress again, these patients we’re asymptomatic for a number of days before discharge from hospital was even considered. Betty with the persistent cough and the high temperatures wasn’t thrown into Abbeyview care home to infect the residents. She was kept in the hospital. 
 

I also find it difficult to believe nobody from the care sector had seen the footage from China, Italy or Spain. If they didn’t appreciate the scale of the problem they bloody well should’ve. Hospitals don’t routinely empty wards unless they have to. That should’ve been a red flag to even the dumbest care home manager. 

UK government guidance was that care homes were low risk.

[Beaker71]

27 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

UK government guidance was that care homes were low risk.

Yep and its definitely the SNPs fault for the all the Cate home deaths......

Yoons being yoons eh.  It's all SNP baaad Union good, union wonderful I love handing all my money for my neighbour to spend, and even when they spend more than weve got collectively on staying up their garden and telling me I am a burden to them,  and get me to keep their rabid pet bear in my front room, I just live it.

Unionism or rather the form it takes in the UK is literally the most bizarre condition of self loathing and sheer lack of the ability to think for yourself there is in the world today.

[gdevoy]

8 minutes ago, Beaker71 said:

Yep and its definitely the SNPs fault for the all the Care home deaths......

According to Jackson Carlaw.

But according to Zorro it's the care home management who failed to implement a total lockdown and provide full PPE for all their staff. Look, nobody is going to get any medals from the care home situation. But people don't seem to realise that trying to make political capital out of it by trying to apportion blame just ends up in themselves getting covered in sticky smelly stuff.

As for the more general question of whether Scotland benefits from being part of the UK? The answer will always be a bit of a yes and no. Although the current Westminster shower of entitled over privileged Eton twats who would struggle to run a piss up in a brewery make me tend towards "how could it be worse"?.

Edited June 2, 2020 by gdevoy

[Zorro]

Call me cynical but the care home scandal is more about apportioning blame on the public sector rather than private one. You’ll never convince me your average Tory has any genuine concern for their fellow man. They do have real concerns about profits, balance sheets etc. At the moment nobody’s mentioned lawyers, compensation etc, but you can bet your bottom dollar the ambulance chasers will be lining up to claim for the unnecessary death of these unfortunate residents. Setting the perception that the NHS is responsible is part of the game.