Shadow Scottish secretary

[Zorro]

Tony Lloyd’s replacement. I’m filled with confidence. 

[gdevoy]

1 hour ago, Zorro said:

Tony Lloyd’s replacement. I’m filled with confidence. 

Good man. Unfortunate photo.

[Zorro]

39 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

Good man. Unfortunate photo.

Hmmmm

[Scooter]

First rule of Labour is: Even Labourites don't talk about Labour.

[Scooter]

Tony Blair, reportedly said Scottish Labour are 'rescuable' if they're more like Ruth Davidson...

...ach well, they've got Jackie Baillie instead!

 

[Beaker71]

On 4/6/2020 at 8:34 PM, gdevoy said:

Good man. Unfortunate photo.

He really isnt, he is 100% union at all costs bellend.

[Mclean07]

7 hours ago, Scooter said:

Tony Blair, reportedly said Scottish Labour are 'rescuable' if they're more like Ruth Davidson...

...ach well, they've got Jackie Baillie instead!

 

Ian Murray is an excellent politician. Hard nosed and and organiser. Heard Blair and Brown on consecutive mornings on radio re the crisis and they were head and shoulders above the current Tory leaders. Blair was right about Scotland and the Nats myth of both being left wing. He rightly said many right wing and ultra pro business figures within the Nats, and also pointed out that left wing Scotland voted for New Labour in droves but abandoned them when the turned left. They then voted for the centrist SNP. A wee socially conservative centrist country that thinks it’s left wing.........till it comes to it. 

[Bonbon19]

good politicians sometimes allow themselves to get an unfortunate photograph taken of them  

[Beaker71]

23 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

Ian Murray is an excellent politician. Hard nosed and and organiser. Heard Blair and Brown on consecutive mornings on radio re the crisis and they were head and shoulders above the current Tory leaders. Blair was right about Scotland and the Nats myth of both being left wing. He rightly said many right wing and ultra pro business figures within the Nats, and also pointed out that left wing Scotland voted for New Labour in droves but abandoned them when the turned left. They then voted for the centrist SNP. A wee socially conservative centrist country that thinks it’s left wing.........till it comes to it. 

Live in the now not the past Brown was and is a clown Blair as left as Thatcher, geez peace with the constant quoting of these two dinosaurs who have Iraqi and British blood on their hands.

[Scooter]

14 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

... and also pointed out that left wing Scotland voted for New Labour in droves but abandoned them when the turned left. They then voted for the centrist SNP. A wee socially conservative centrist country that thinks it’s left wing.........till it comes to it. 

Scotland voted for New Labour because folk are inherently lazy voters and that was the way folk had been conditioned over the years. Labour supposedly was for the 'working man', right?

They had 41 MPs in 2010 but blew it when they got into bed with the Tories in 2013-14. The referendum also woke  people up politically, realising that New Labour had done nothing significant for this country since they came to power and the 'working man' vote had been taken for granted over the years. We already know the Tories hate Scotland except for the wealth they can rip from it.

Any Labour government is better than a Tory government, that is true in a narrow, technical sense. But, it's also the refrain that sustains the Labour right that delivered Blair, and that's in the process of delivering Blair 2.0.

The SNP are not left, they are left, right and centre, a mix that will deliver independence and maybe give us a system where we finally get the governments we vote for.

[Zorro]

Ian Murray is a backstabbing, lying bigot. Not someone I’d describe as either a good man or a good politician.Tony Blair is guilty of mixing correlation with causation. People didn’t turn their backs on Labour because they turned left. They turned their backs because Labour kept letting them down. A lesson they’ve still not picked up on in their English heartlands. Gordon Brown, I actually have a lot of time for. His biggest fault seems to be that he thinks he can change a broken system. Sorry Gordy but it needs replaced. Stop embarrassing yourself with talk of federalism. 

[Beaker71]

1 minute ago, Scooter said:

Scotland voted for New Labour because folk are inherently lazy voters and that was the way folk had been conditioned over the years. Labour supposedly was for the 'working man', right?

They had 41 MPs in 2010 but blew it when they got into bed with the Tories in 2013-14. The referendum also woke  people up politically, realising that New Labour had done nothing significant for this country since they came to power and the 'working man' vote had been taken for granted over the years. We already know the Tories hate Scotland except for the wealth they can rip from it.

Any Labour government is better than a Tory government, that is true in a narrow, technical sense. But, it's also the refrain that sustains the Labour right that delivered Blair, and that's in the process of delivering Blair 2.0.

The SNP are not left, they are left, right and centre, a mix that will deliver independence and maybe give us a system where we finally get the governments we vote for.

Ash know your place and soft your cap.

 

Yours Mclean

[EKX16]

Labour party in Scotland at one time could rely on Scottish votes but times have changed. It will be interesting to see how Keir Stammer reacts to what is happening in Scotland. He's got a hard enough task to convince the folk in England and Wales to turn to Labour.

[Fankle]

Wasn't exactly a huge pool of Scottish Labour MP's to select from...

 

[RAG]

This threads pointless anyway.  In practice Annalise Dodds will almost always be trotted out as the Scottish voice in the shadow cabinet, despite representing an English seat and having lived in England her entire adult life - at least on network TV anyway.  She got the rather comfy brief of getting to comment on Scottish issues but not representing a Scottish seat in last GE.

31 minutes ago, Fankle said:

Wasn't exactly a huge pool of Scottish Labour MP's to select from...

Labour grandees also get funnelled off to the House of Lords, further whittling down the pool.  The current Scottish crop are that bad, I wouldn't be surprised if Gordon Brown made a comeback on the Hollyrood list next year!  

Edited April 8, 2020 by RAG

[Scooter]

1 hour ago, RAG said:

 The current Scottish crop are that bad, I wouldn't be surprised if Gordon Brown made a comeback on the Hollyrood list next year!  

Haha nae chance. But then maybe he could keep to his word and work on the country being "as close to a federal state as you can be in a country where one nation is 85 per cent of the population",  with Holyrood and other regions of the UK handed equal status to Westminster ...it's only 4 years late, and counting! 

[gdevoy]

9 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

Ian Murray is an excellent politician. Hard nosed and and organiser. Heard Blair and Brown on consecutive mornings on radio re the crisis and they were head and shoulders above the current Tory leaders. Blair was right about Scotland and the Nats myth of both being left wing. He rightly said many right wing and ultra pro business figures within the Nats, and also pointed out that left wing Scotland voted for New Labour in droves but abandoned them when the turned left. They then voted for the centrist SNP. A wee socially conservative centrist country that thinks it’s left wing.........till it comes to it. 

I agree Ian Murry is a good man. Tony Blair, on the other hand us the kast person on earth I would take advice on faux left from.