C4mmy31 Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, RAG said: Dundee not having cast their vote is the most honking thing about it. Dundee United have spent big backs, are in pole position for promotion. Fact entire SPFL are in a situation where a team with a vested interest, has a casting vote on their city rivals fate, is amateurish at best and about the most underhand way they could settle season 19/20. Apparently they did vote with the SPFL claiming they didnt receive this via Whatsapp..... You couldn't make it up...... Edited April 11, 2020 by C4mmy31 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 Apparently Dundee did vote no and posted their completed voting form on a WhatsApp group chat with other Championship chairmen/representatives. A message saying the vote had been submitted was also posted to the same group chat.... then later an email was allegedly sent to the SPFL informing them not to count the vote. It would also appear that either Rangers or Hearts were the Premiership club who were late in submitting their vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 Below are allegedly screenshots from the group chat mentioned above. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpetree Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 And in other news, the SPFL have cancelled plans for a piss-up in a brewery 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, C4mmy31 said: Apparently they did vote with the SPFL claiming they didnt receive this via Whatsapp..... You couldn't make it up...... It's the "Please return as soon as signed and, if possible by 5:00pm on Friday,10th April 2020" bit. Why specify 5pm if that's not an absolute deadline on the Friday 10th April? Couple of wee weasel words inserted in there. I'm sure the offices do close at 5pm. Even the SPFLs setting of deadlines (for an email to be sent) would be considered utterly shambolic if you were running a 5 a side team. Edited April 11, 2020 by RAG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Stefanus said: This is all wrong and frankly smacks of Premiership elitism, which disappointingly seems to have filtered down to some Killie fans too. It’s not that long ago that we were languishing in the lower leagues and bemoaning how top division-centric the footballing authorities and their decisions were. It’s unfair to force a vote on the situation in lower leagues whilst the Premiership still weighs up its options. Now isn’t the time to be driving more divisions (sic) in the game. Whatever vote or decision happens, it should be for all of the Scottish football leagues together. My preference would be to finish the season when it’s safe to do so. Even if that means July or August. In the meantime clubs could receive a portion of ‘prize’ money, based on current league positions and the balance at the conclusion of the season. I genuinely believe that’s the fairest thing to do and should prevent the now customary and self-important pompous ‘club statement’, as well as the inevitable threats of legal action, which ironically could just as easily result in further delays. Exactly. How can something be good enough for the lower leagues but not the SPFL? Its should be the same for every club. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 hour ago, historyman said: Exactly. How can something be good enough for the lower leagues but not the SPFL? In the English league, how they spoke about resolving the season - according to Lee Johnson on radio 5 - was teams hiring entire hotels and doing World Cup style closed bootcamps between as many games as they can squeeze in. If that was the Scottish plan for the SPFL, there might be enough cash in the Premiership to do that, but there won't be in the lower leagues. Much like in England where the national leagues have been called by the FA already. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Superscot Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 21 hours ago, Pompey Exile said: Here it is on street view 123 St Pauls Rd https://maps.app.goo.gl/16LQNjaHyovDgAq48 The Mighty Fine and City Arms don't come up on Google. Any idea where they where? The Mucky Duck is now a Brewhouse, craft beer type place, but alright as these go. There was a good lost pubs of Pompey sight but looks like they're rebuilding. This the closest I could find https://www.closedpubs.co.uk/hampshire/portsmouth.html Sorry for going wildly off topic! Sadly a sign of the times... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme S Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 All this talk of bullying is very interesting.What constitutes bullying?Does suggesting that you could be worse off if you vote for option A as opposed to B constitute bullying?Or is there more to these accusations? Sevco fans seem to think that Peter Lawell is running the show on his own which I find hard to believe. How will it end?Will we see in fighting that could ruin the game in Scotland and beyond ?Too much self interest and clubs not acting in the best interests of the game of football. #shambles 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie1961 Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 28 minutes ago, Graeme S said: All this talk of bullying is very interesting.What constitutes bullying?Does suggesting that you could be worse off if you vote for option A as opposed to B constitute bullying?Or is there more to these accusations? Sevco fans seem to think that Peter Lawell is running the show on his own which I find hard to believe. How will it end?Will we see in fighting that could ruin the game in Scotland and beyond ?Too much self interest and clubs not acting in the best interests of the game of football. #shambles Same as the way life is panning out now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty1998 Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Listened to sportsound today when “statement” came out. First thought was here we go again rankers don’t get their own way and a whistleblower gives them information and start throwing accusations about. second thought was why did the whistleblower contact rankers why wasn’t it anybody else,Hearts ? Why didn’t they go to media and blow off the doors of the whole spfl with this information.? all of this could be cleared up very quickly from Dundee, rankers and SPFL just show the proof!!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Dundee are at it here. If indeed they sent the email or fax or whatever it was and it wasn't received, send it again and very publicly state your answer of "yes" or "no". They've gone into full lockdown mode and haven't commented other than some comments on a bloody WhatsApp group that no person in their right mind would take as gospel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonbon19 Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 At the end of all this Doncaster should resign . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted April 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 51 minutes ago, Bonbon19 said: At the end of all this Doncaster should resign . Fans have been calling for that for years. He should have been sacked on numerous occasions over the years. He should have been chased from our game along with Regan after the Sevco debacle when they died. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonbon19 Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, piffer said: Fans have been calling for that for years. He should have been sacked on numerous occasions over the years. He should have been chased from our game along with Regan after the Sevco debacle when they died. I agree but he somehow seems bombproof ,perhaps he knows a few secrets ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted April 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, Bonbon19 said: I agree but he somehow seems bombproof ,perhaps he knows a few secrets ? I think he was protected by certain people in the past. Lawell and his counterparts at Ibrox in particular. That seems to have changed now. Sevco have definitely turned and I get the impression Celtic are giving him enough rope to hang himself. He doesn’t appear to have the same relationship with the SFA since Maxwell took over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpetree Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 So there’s a whistleblower favouring the Rangers - who’da thunk it? My money’s on Andrew Dallas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewWylie Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Rangers are my most hated thing in the world but I think they will be proved right in this , I see there’s a Brechin city member on the spfl board , I also see that there’s no relegation for them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 18 hours ago, Trumpetree said: And in other news, the SPFL have cancelled plans for a piss-up in a brewery Only the clowns that run the game in our country couldn’t organise a vote with 42 clubs. What an embarrassment 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffer Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Whole thing stinks, cant see Doncaster surviving this one. Amazing that someone who has messed up so many times is still in a job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prahakillie Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) Dundee attempted to vote says SPFL 7 minutes ago Dundee attempted to admit a voting slip on the resolution to end the lower leagues, but later emailed the SPFL to say it should not be considered cast, according to the league. (BBC) Edited April 12, 2020 by Prahakillie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTumnus Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 The ONLY thing (and it's a big only )I can see that the SPFL have done wrong here is announcing a running total and therefore giving Dungdee their little bit of power. Nothing should have come out till all votes were cast. Dungdee now find themselves damned if they vote yes (by their support for giving United the title) and damned if no by being blamed for putting many clubs at financial risk (even though others voted no too). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser2 Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) The whole episode re ending the leagues has been chaotic and poorly thought out........With poor leadership from SPFL but the way the rangers have acted and sent out ludicrous statements has been farcical and as usual all about what is best for them .....fact one of their own directors sits on the SPFL board And seemingly been made aware of the process well in advance ....But kept quiet...seems very strange .. Edited April 12, 2020 by Scouser2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casual observer Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Regardless of the voting slips counted, why did the SPFL release the votes received, and therefore provide the club still to declare with negotiating room? Which in itself is disgusting that Dundee are now trying to profit from a vote that effects all clubs, but also shows the league management function isn’t fit for purpose, before even taking into account the fact they didn’t have Dundee’s vote. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTumnus Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Premiershipship - 75% for a motion to pass. Leagues 1 & 2 - 75% for a motion to pass. Championship - 80% for a motion to pass / surely this should have been rounded down to 70% rather than up ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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