mitch14 Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 Hearts a bit of a smokescreen here I think - obviously they are voting for self interest, but Thistle getting relagated by a point with a game in hand is horrendous. And, as it stands, them and Falkirk are going to be marooned in a league which is going to be mothballed for potentially a full season. I don't think we need reconstruction generally, but one way or another there's going to have to be something put in place to save teams and stop job losses. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorro Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) Can’t they come up with something radical like the Americans use in many of their sports? Regular season > play-offs. One winner takes all game to finish the season. Every league team in Scotland starts the season with a chance to be champions. While they’re at it, limit squad sizes to 20-22 + up to 11 U21 players. You pick up injuries, tough. You have players suspended, deal with it. You bring someone in at a transfer window, somebody has to go. Edited May 27, 2020 by Zorro -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, mitch14 said: Hearts a bit of a smokescreen here I think - obviously they are voting for self interest, but Thistle getting relagated by a point with a game in hand is horrendous. Even the juniors were better organised! Deciding the league on point average was undeniably more fair than how the SPFL did it. Although, if the curtailed season was decided (as fairly as possible) on point average, they'd be no chance to save the Jambos woeful on field performance off the park.. If the two teams affected weren't from Glasgow and Edinburgh - we wouldn't be having this conversation IMO. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch14 Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 58 minutes ago, RAG said: If the two teams affected weren't from Glasgow and Edinburgh - we wouldn't be having this conversation IMO. 100% - if it were Accies no one would have batted an eyelid. But that doesn't make it right, especially in the Thistle example, or for Kelty and Brora. That alongside working out how to actually have leagues next season might come together quite nicely here though if a reconstruction proposal also helped keep teams in business. Biggeet mistake Budge made in that proposal was the 'premiership needs hearts' line - guaranteed to make everyone furious... -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, mitch14 said: Biggeet mistake Budge made in that proposal was the 'premiership needs hearts' line - guaranteed to make everyone furious... I think their biggest mistake was threatening to sue the league, then proposing the same reconstruction (pretty much) that was rejected a couple of weeks ago. You can't do that, then claim the moral high ground. You might find a skilled operator like Budge has held a gun to their head in a silky manner. Accept the proposal, or they'll be no league next season for anybody - due to a big court case holding up play. Partick on the other hand, have behaved with far more dignity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alasdair Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 3 hours ago, killie1961 said: Was bad enough when 3 teams went down when TB was manager and would not feel confident of us staying up the way the club is going at the moment too much of a risk for our club just to save a mismanaged team like Hearts Is it any more of a risk? Just now, if you are 10th you stay up. Yes 3 teams would go down, but 10th or 11th would still keep you up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCM Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Alasdair said: Is it any more of a risk? Just now, if you are 10th you stay up. Yes 3 teams would go down, but 10th or 11th would still keep you up 3 from 14 OR 1 from 12, do the odds 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiebob Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 Leave it as it is, yet another pathetic self serving effort by a Scottish “big” club to save their own skins. Can you imagine this being taken seriously if it was proposed by Hamilton or Ross County?!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casual observer Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 They should be thankful of relegation to clear the decks of utter dross that they signed over the last 12-18 months and rebuild from a much lower cost base. St Johnstone, Killie & even Ross Co have proven you don’t need to be big spenders to do well in SPL 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillieDJ Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 Problem will come after the 2 year period...around 8 teams would be relegated from the Championship to League One if the leagues reverted to the 12-10-10-10 set-up for the 2022/2023 season. Can't see it being voted through as what is the benefit to teams in lower leagues? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 If Hearts were all for the good of Scottish football they would have presented a 12-12-10-10 setup. partick stay up, Falkirk get up etc.Hearts only losers. this 14/14/14 is for one clubs benefit and must be stopped 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel4 Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 13 hours ago, RAG said: Even the juniors were better organised! Deciding the league on point average was undeniably more fair than how the SPFL did it. It was! That's why St. Johnstone overtook Hibs 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plunkit Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 Has to be 16, 14, 14. You need to be looking at a season with fewer games, so try to restrict league and cups to weekends only. All divisions play home and away, ie each other twice. A larger top division allows those with larger, full time, squads to have a few extra games to generate revenue and, of course, give TV a bigger offering in terms of games to cover. It spreads precious cash more equitably among the full time teams. We need them, as far as possible, to survive to take the professional game into the new normal as intact as possible. The lower divisions can have smaller squads. Fewer games eases pressure on these squads in terms of injury and, as they will mainly be part-time, eases pressure on players to manage their other job, should they be lucky enough to have one. Employers will be putting pressure on employees to consider carefully if they can afford to be taking time off to play football or recover from injury - from both angles. In general, there will be no or few full time teams in the lower leagues. Sad, but required for the game here to survive. Also - allows Kelty and Brora to join. Unfortunately this would mean that over time some smaller clubs would have no chance of getting to the top division. Probably no real change to be honest, and might make some of the cup early rounds less of a thrill with little genuine chance of an upset - assuming teams in the top division appear more talented. If we only look at what is best short term or for certain clubs we will have no professional game in Scotland worth a jot in a few short years. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclean07 Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 18 hours ago, Zorro said: Can’t they come up with something radical like the Americans use in many of their sports? Regular season > play-offs. One winner takes all game to finish the season. Every league team in Scotland starts the season with a chance to be champions. While they’re at it, limit squad sizes to 20-22 + up to 11 U21 players. You pick up injuries, tough. You have players suspended, deal with it. You bring someone in at a transfer window, somebody has to go. Yes, it’s weird how the USA of all countries sets conditions that gives everyone a chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 I get the feeling there's going to be a lot of pressure on clubs to accept this deal. Doncaster talking about clubs in the lower divisions being expelled from the league for not fulfilling their fixtures. He also mentions that the rules can't be changed, but surely if the rules can be changed for a new set-up they can be changed for extraordinary circumstances like the present one, to protect the clubs that can't afford to play behind closed doors. I would like to see more detail about what the alternatives are but it's the Daily Beano so facts are in short supply. As much as I hate Sevco we should have taken the opportunity to get rid of this chancer Doncaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser2 Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 See the so called newspaper daily Record rag has pulled out its Armageddon type of headlines , yet again....to describe not voting for this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fankle Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 I can't understand how they can even consider the format for a league season right now when we have no idea when football will be able to resume? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdevoy Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, Fankle said: I can't understand how they can even consider the format for a league season right now when we have no idea when football will be able to resume? Keeps their minds off what could really happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudger Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, gdevoy said: Keeps their minds off what could really happen. 100% this. Bury head in sand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plunkit Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Mclean07 said: Yes, it’s weird how the USA of all countries sets conditions that gives everyone a chance. It actually happens in most other sports. Football fairly unique in not having play offs to decide champions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, plunkit said: It actually happens in most other sports. Football fairly unique in not having play offs to decide champions. Do lots of these sports not have conferences. East coast/west coast or North/South then the top sides from each go into playoffs to decide a national champion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plunkit Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, piffer said: Do lots of these sports not have conferences. East coast/west coast or North/South then the top sides from each go into playoffs to decide a national champion. Not necessarily. The English Rugby Premiership doesn't, the Pro14 has a degree of mixture of geography and merit involved in conferences, but all teams play each other in the league. UK Ice Hockey does it, and so on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Wrangodog said: As much as I hate Sevco we should have taken the opportunity to get rid of this chancer Doncaster. While I agree that dickhead is probably the worst ever, the track record is that each new one is actually worse than the one that went before. Who ever thought Roger Mitchell could be "worsed", for example, and now he looks like a paragon of insight and transparency -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Mclean07 said: Yes, it’s weird how the USA of all countries sets conditions that gives everyone a chance. Nobody gets relegated in American sports either. Its a trade off. Most of the final day action in football, is at the bottom of the table. Best American sides dont have first pick of all the best young players, the draft counts for a lot in levelling out the leagues over there, worst teams are guaranteed first picks on best new players. Would be interesting to see how that worked in European football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prahakillie Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, RAG said: Nobody gets relegated in American sports either. Its a trade off. Most of the final day action in football, is at the bottom of the table. Best American sides dont have first pick of all the best young players, the draft counts for a lot in levelling out the leagues over there, worst teams are guaranteed first picks on best new players. Would be interesting to see how that worked in European football. It is strange how one of the most capitalist and inequal countries in the world can be so communist and all for equality when it comes to sports. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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