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10 hours ago, harley said:

I see Jason Leitch has apologised for his rubbish claims and that the Scottish Government were correct to question this but that won’t satisfy you Mclean. Quick, get googling to find out more SNP bad stories.

Funny how you didn’t find the one about the female Labour MP that said the Labour Party is not the party for benefit claimers. Sounds like a Tory who think all benefit claimants are scroungers.

No wonder that people are leaving your once proud Socialist party in droves.

He apologised for his role in the confusion. The original story was untrue. 

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11 hours ago, harley said:

I see Jason Leitch has apologised for his rubbish claims and that the Scottish Government were correct to question this but that won’t satisfy you Mclean. Quick, get googling to find out more SNP bad stories.

Can I direct you to Mr Gompels  interview on Sky news on the PPE subject . 

He doesn’t supply equipment to any NHS trust or health board in the U.K. for various reasons , he does however supply to private care homes ,and other private clients all over the U.K. PHE may well have issued such a directive but this company is under no obligation to follow them . There is kernels of truth in both sides of the argument . But ultimately it’s a non story. 

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24 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

He apologised for his role in the confusion. The original story was untrue. 

Except that the CEO of Scottish Care still maintains that the story is true....
There are screen grabs out in the ether  from at least 3 PPE suppliers who have been supplying the private care home sector in Scotland in the past, but now have been advised not to supply outwith England.

Now for the bit that doesn’t suit your narrative.....The FM and Jean Feeeman are deliberately not making an issue of this politically as they know that any more of a media s**t storm is going to undermine the government effort combatting the virus and prove a time-consuming distraction.

As Bonbon says the Gompels story isn’t black and white, but the statements provided by other PPE providers confirm what Mr MacAskill at Scottish Care has always maintained.

it looks like both governments are, quite rightly, trying to resolve the supply issues beyond the media glare and not playing politics with it. In the meantime I believe affected private sector care homes in Scotland are having to draw on SNHS centrally held PPE stocks

 

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35 minutes ago, Cheviotstag said:

Except that the CEO of Scottish Care still maintains that the story is true....
There are screen grabs out in the ether  from at least 3 PPE suppliers who have been supplying the private care home sector in Scotland in the past, but now have been advised not to supply outwith England.

Now for the bit that doesn’t suit your narrative.....The FM and Jean Feeeman are deliberately not making an issue of this politically as they know that any more of a media s**t storm is going to undermine the government effort combatting the virus and prove a time-consuming distraction.

As Bonbon says the Gompels story isn’t black and white, but the statements provided by other PPE providers confirm what Mr MacAskill at Scottish Care has always maintained.

it looks like both governments are, quite rightly, trying to resolve the supply issues beyond the media glare and not playing politics with it. In the meantime I believe affected private sector care homes in Scotland are having to draw on SNHS centrally held PPE stocks

 

Whatever comes out, that rag of a paper deliberately used the story to try and drive another wedge between people. It’s the Scottish Poundland Daily Mail.

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‼️Labour Party is not for the poor or unemployed declares work and pensions shadow secretary. The red Tories show their true colours, the working class can kiss my ass as I’m a rich Labour MP at last✌️

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1 hour ago, harley said:

‼️Labour Party is not for the poor or unemployed declares work and pensions shadow secretary. The red Tories show their true colours, the working class can kiss my ass as I’m a rich Labour MP at last✌️

Nothing wrong with that. Labour are for working people and not the party of mass unemployment like the Thatcher Tories were. They want as many people in work as possible as it’s the best thing that people can have, a sense of self worth. That, of course excludes people who simply cannot work. Given that poverty and homeless figures vastly improved over the period of the last Labour Govt, there’s nothing to be ashamed of. One of the problems people have is that the Labour Party, for a while, has just seemed to talk about very poor people and very rich people, missing the huge amount in between, so they are simply making clear that are for everyone. 
 

I wouldn’t get too precious. Every social survey has Scotland and England with virtually the same attitudes to the benefit culture. Again, if you don’t live in the liberal bubble, it’s quite common to hear people talk about “them on benefits”........and plenty are of the Nat persuasion. 
 

I dealt with RR at the Halifax. Great person. 

 

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12 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

Another nationalist gobs**te making capital out of a crisis, this time with his personal fantasy talk. I don’t need to google for this rubbish, it’s in your face every day.

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Agreed but there are gobs**tes in every party & their supporters, don't get me started on Labour & tory gobs**tes. It's just that you seem to spend all your waking hours searching for the SNP ones. You spend more time on independence sites that anybody else on here.

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2 hours ago, harley said:

Agreed but there are gobs**tes in every party & their supporters, don't get me started on Labour & tory gobs**tes. It's just that you seem to spend all your waking hours searching for the SNP ones. You spend more time on independence sites that anybody else on here.

Brightens his life up clearly. Oh the glee it must bring to post such, whilst ignoring all other parties. Wait for the next one, following the daily search and laugh. 

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4 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

Another nationalist gobs**te making capital out of a crisis, this time with his personal fantasy talk. I don’t need to google for this rubbish, it’s in your face every day.

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Mate it's 100%; a joke! Although whoever originally posted it as a visual reference to a Dr Who episode, needs to stop watching as much crap telly..

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I thought Maclean would’ve been on to condemn Ian Murray’s comments yesterday that he sees the Coronavirus outbreak as an opportunity for Labour to make significant gains in next years Holyrood elections. It would seem that that all these deaths are a sacrifice Ian is willing to make. Just as long as it’s not his own and it helps Labour. Disgusting. 

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2 hours ago, Zorro said:

I thought Maclean would’ve been on to condemn Ian Murray’s comments yesterday that he sees the Coronavirus outbreak as an opportunity for Labour to make significant gains in next years Holyrood elections. It would seem that that all these deaths are a sacrifice Ian is willing to make. Just as long as it’s not his own and it helps Labour. Disgusting. 

I have read what he said and  I can find no mention of deaths being a sacrifice he is willing to make in The Scitsman. That said I dont agree that the outbreak will cause the political "recalibration" he speaks of. Thinking there can be a return to the good old days is just magical thinking.

However he has highlighted ways the Scottish government has overlooked some vulnerable groups that have not even overlooked elsewhere in the UK and I am confident the Scottish Government can quickly sort this out. Whether you view thus as concern for the vulnerable or political opportunism probably partly depends on whether you are in one if those groups.

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2 hours ago, gdevoy said:

I have read what he said and  I can find no mention of deaths being a sacrifice he is willing to make in The Scitsman. That said I dont agree that the outbreak will cause the political "recalibration" he speaks of. Thinking there can be a return to the good old days is just magical thinking.

However he has highlighted ways the Scottish government has overlooked some vulnerable groups that have not even overlooked elsewhere in the UK and I am confident the Scottish Government can quickly sort this out. Whether you view thus as concern for the vulnerable or political opportunism probably partly depends on whether you are in one if those groups.

This forum without McLean07 would be the blandest of venues IMO , his method of delivery doesn’t suit all tastes, neither does Beakers but that’s politics ;) 

I can foresee a resurgence of Labour in Scotland now that the U.K. party has got rid of Corbyn and if they can get candidates of a better quality than Leonard. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Bonbon19 said:

I can foresee a resurgence of Labour in Scotland now that the U.K. party has got rid of Corbyn and if they can get candidates of a better quality than Leonard. 

 

I don't see any danger of a Scottish resurgence with these, "we will be tougher than the Tories" headlines aimed at the votes lost to the working class bigots down south. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rachel-reeves-says-labour-does-not-want-to-represent-people-out-of-work-10114614.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/12/labour-benefits-tories-labour-rachel-reeves-welfare

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Bonbon19 said:

This forum without McLean07 would be the blandest of venues IMO , his method of delivery doesn’t suit all tastes, neither does Beakers but that’s politics ;) 

I can foresee a resurgence of Labour in Scotland now that the U.K. party has got rid of Corbyn and if they can get candidates of a better quality than Leonard. 

 

I agree with you that Labour needs a much stronger talent pool up here before there is any chance of a significant revival.  More free thinking young MSPs and less tribal figures in the style of Malcolm Chisholm would be a start...

....and electing better leaders. There has been a sharp and exponential decline in quality with every single leader since Donald Dewar’s passing . Some of the recent ones have been parody figures who routinely  get their arse handed to them at FMQs every Thursday 

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34 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

I don't see any danger of a Scottish resurgence with these, "we will be tougher than the Tories" headlines aimed at the votes lost to the working class bigots down south. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rachel-reeves-says-labour-does-not-want-to-represent-people-out-of-work-10114614.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/12/labour-benefits-tories-labour-rachel-reeves-welfare

 

 

Are you certain she’s still espousing the same ideas that are 5 and 6 years old ? 

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20 minutes ago, Cheviotstag said:

I agree with you that Labour needs a much stronger talent pool up here before there is any chance of a significant revival.  More free thinking young MSPs and less tribal figures in the style of Malcolm Chisholm would be a start...

....and electing better leaders. There has been a sharp and exponential decline in quality with every single leader since Donald Dewar’s passing . Some of the recent ones have been parody figures who routinely  get their arse handed to them at FMQs every Thursday 

If the Labour Party in Scotland had anyone with even half of Dewars drive and determination ,in the intervening years, they wouldn’t be in the position they’re in now .

I was at a symposium which Malcolm Chisholm spoke at in his capacity as health secretary and his vision for and knowledge of the subject was there for all to see.

I don’t often get to see FMQ’s but Leonard’s performance last week at the daily update was embarrassing to say the least .

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4 hours ago, gdevoy said:

I have read what he said and  I can find no mention of deaths being a sacrifice he is willing to make in The Scitsman. That said I dont agree that the outbreak will cause the political "recalibration" he speaks of. Thinking there can be a return to the good old days is just magical thinking.

However he has highlighted ways the Scottish government has overlooked some vulnerable groups that have not even overlooked elsewhere in the UK and I am confident the Scottish Government can quickly sort this out. Whether you view thus as concern for the vulnerable or political opportunism probably partly depends on whether you are in one if those groups.

Whether it is implicitly or explicitly stated; when you link the Coronavirus with improved election performance for your party, you are guilty of opportunistic behaviour which trivialises each and every one of these deaths. The inference being that the worse things get, the better it is for Labour. While other parties have put electioneering on the back burner, Ian’s misguided ramblings are focused on grabbing more influence and power. Disgusting. 

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