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  1. Not necessarily. The English Rugby Premiership doesn't, the Pro14 has a degree of mixture of geography and merit involved in conferences, but all teams play each other in the league. UK Ice Hockey does it, and so on.
  2. It actually happens in most other sports. Football fairly unique in not having play offs to decide champions.
  3. Has to be 16, 14, 14. You need to be looking at a season with fewer games, so try to restrict league and cups to weekends only. All divisions play home and away, ie each other twice. A larger top division allows those with larger, full time, squads to have a few extra games to generate revenue and, of course, give TV a bigger offering in terms of games to cover. It spreads precious cash more equitably among the full time teams. We need them, as far as possible, to survive to take the professional game into the new normal as intact as possible. The lower divisions can have smaller squads. Fewer games eases pressure on these squads in terms of injury and, as they will mainly be part-time, eases pressure on players to manage their other job, should they be lucky enough to have one. Employers will be putting pressure on employees to consider carefully if they can afford to be taking time off to play football or recover from injury - from both angles. In general, there will be no or few full time teams in the lower leagues. Sad, but required for the game here to survive. Also - allows Kelty and Brora to join. Unfortunately this would mean that over time some smaller clubs would have no chance of getting to the top division. Probably no real change to be honest, and might make some of the cup early rounds less of a thrill with little genuine chance of an upset - assuming teams in the top division appear more talented. If we only look at what is best short term or for certain clubs we will have no professional game in Scotland worth a jot in a few short years.
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    Ground share

    Many businesses are already looking at changing their business model within their sector and within their own structure. Football will have to do the same. I think some clubs may have to sell assets to survive, their ground and/or adjacent land being the one with the most value in most cases. If that is the case then we will see ground sharing more and more. Indeed, 4G pitches are ideal to enable this to happen so RP could be a big draw - assuming we don't have to sell our ground of course. Other than Ayr and local junior clubs, i think our location makes it difficult for any practical ground share with a larger team so can't really see us losing our identity. The clubs using the facilities would have that to contend with. Realistically, i can't see it happening at RP for any length of time. Ayr could use Dam Park, albeit I know the rugby club are meant to be moving there, and juniors are more likely to stay closer to their important community bases. Vics could use Meadow Park or Portland Park at a push - but no guarantee that Meadow Park wouldn't need to be sold - it's all a great unknown right now. Further afield i would not rule it out, certainly in Dundee, maybe Lanarkshire but probably more in England. I very much doubt we will have 42 'pro' clubs in Scotland in 5 to 10 years.
  5. Your point is? I explained it as it stood. Given my job i am fully aware that the funding packages are being reviewed and evolved all the time. I wrote a paper on two potential solutions to feed into Scottish Government last Friday. But thanks for pointing this development out to me - I wasn't aware
  6. Did you watch the Scottish Government's daily briefing today? FM very concerned about this and Hancock cancelled a call with Freeman - maybe it's not rubbish after all.
  7. Let me explain this one for you then. Regards the Business Support Grant, tough as it may seem for multi-outlet businesses, especially over more than one Local Authority (LA) - particularly evident in Ayrshire where we have, in my opinion, the madness of 3 LAs, it is a decision taken to genuinely assist more businesses in a wider range of sectors, many having a unique importance to the Scottish economy. This kind of difference in grant funding styles is always evident throughout the UK. For example, Regional Selective Assistance (RSA) here is different than in SW England, Yorkshire and so on. It has to be to be effective. I would suggest it is not the system that is unfair, but it has been communicated poorly. There are businesses here who can access the grant here but couldn't if they were in rUK. Are you suggesting that they should feel bad because they are denying multi-outlet businesses more of a finite budget and they should, in fact, be getting nothing if we just did the same as England ? Perhaps we are doing it more fairly than down south ?
  8. Mental health is a massive issue at anytime and in all walks of life. With so much uncertainty around I am certain that it is not just footballers who have such dark thoughts. Please check your employer's internal support scheme. if they don't have one then please consider using services such as Samaratans. There is no badge of honour nor is there a weakness in using or not using these services. At the very least open up to someone you know will take you seriously. It may be the most important call you make so do it. Samaratans can be contacted HERE and on 116 123
  9. Good question ! First off - Warriors missed out on qualification for quarter Finals by 1 point because they lost a crucial home game they should have won. However, it sticks in the craw that a club found guilty of financial doping is the one who were that 1 point better off. I'd imagine every fan of every other club in England would applaud if the EPRC did the same as Premiership Rugby and booted them out - to Warriors' benefit of course !! As mentioned, though, these are two different organisations with different rules on wage caps. However, there is no getting away from the fact that Saracens are there because they cheated. Surely breaking the rules of the league you qualified from - notwithstanding they are the holders - means your cheating possibly prevented a different club from qualifying. There is a huge feeling of anger in England about this and I actually think if they were kicked out that Premiership Rugby would let it go as it fires a massive shot across the bows of others. Whilst I have no sympathy for the experienced players in all of this, albeit they may have been blissfully ignorant of it all, they have a good career. They will get snapped up by other clubs. It's the young up and comers I feel for. If they can't get out of this they may not get a top career or, at best, they could be set back a few years. Mr Dodson - he of the ridiculous pay package at Murrayfield - seemed keen to sue World Rugby during the World Cup. He should stand up for Warriors now and take issue with EPRC in my opinion. Mind you - Leinster in Dublin....good day out but a likely doing at the hands of the Blue Machine.
  10. It’s a shame to see this thread descend into an Uber Fan argument – or a pissing contest to be blunt. People need to get over themselves. Supporting your team is exactly that – you always do it. You attend matches and functions as and when you can based on your own circumstances. Many people have a great deal more in their lives than going to x number of games. They are not any less of a fan that the next person just because that person attends x+y. However, back to the point. The original poster would have been better placed by asking something along the lines of ‘Are the Trust satisfied with Cathy’s input to the football club board to date?’ This style of question lends itself to a more sensible discussion. It is especially disappointing as there was a clear lack of understanding and appreciation of the significant efforts Cathy has brought to the football club board and some of the changes she has accelerated. Of course, she gave a report to the recent Trust AGM, so not being a Trust member does, I suppose, put the poster at a disadvantage. I also think a personal attack on the capabilities of Cathy was unnecessary. The thread has therefore, as I say, descended into an ‘us and them’ situation. I think that most of the negative stuff comes from a few, but not all, non-Trust members and/or TiK deniers. Please note, that joining the Trust or subscribing to TiK is your personal choice. I’d prefer that you joined / subscribed but respect your choice. You, in turn, should be comfortable that your choice will, in some instances, mean that you are missing out on information such as Cathy’s report to the AGM. Trust members who couldn’t attend the AGM will receive communication regards the meeting in due course. I am no longer on the Trust Board so can’t give specifics on the timing of that. By the way, this situation does not make a Trust member an Uber Fan because they receive information quicker than others in the same way that shareholders of the club are not better fans than non-shareholders. It is the way that these things operate. It is not some kind of special society which looks down on non-members , in the same that non-members should not look upon members in a similar vein. I was on the Trust Board from 2005 until 2018, with a year off in between somewhere. In all that time the Trust worked extremely hard on a great number of community projects which are well documented. Prior to TiK, the most high profile of these was Fifty For The Future (FFTF). I mention this in particular because I can use it as an example of MJ’s attitude towards the Trust, notwithstanding the significant monies it brought into the club’s coffers. Ok, so when Jim Mann became chairman a few years back we were having a meeting to discuss Trust involvement in club projects and so on. Jim adds to the conversation that MJ tells him the Trust and the club have been ‘at war’ about a number of issues over time. When asked what these issues were Jim wasn’t sure. I took this up with MJ directly as, in my time on the Trust Board, there was no instance where the Trust took, let’s call it, a political stance against the club publically. Any issues we had we took directly to him to discuss, quite rightly, behind closed doors. I do recall one situation where he denied obvious wrongdoing by the club so that was taken to another body. It was, admittedly, a bit of a can of worms, but the situation was resolved. A bit of damage to our relationship, but that happens in any working scenario. It turns out that MJ felt we had politicised FFTF because, after we had donated something in the region of £100k we asked if, from that point on, we could receive shares in the football club in return. That was it – how very dare we. Now you have to understand that MJ kinda viewed the Trust as a group of elves who would not hesitate to pick up bits and pieces of projects here and there which the club could not afford to pay for – and in many cases we did that. It’s about club and community afterall. What pissed us off was the constant use of ideas we put to him and selling them as his own once he adopted them at a later date having knocked us back in the first place and/or the constant putting up of barriers to ideas which would, in all cases, have benefited the club. We were expected to stay in our box and receive no return on the investment our members and other donors made, or indeed for the work we put in. So that was it – the big thing that annoyed him most about the Trust – asking for shares in return for cash. Thankfully, and after literally years of negotiation and hard work, on the club’s part too it has to be said, FFTF essentially evolved into a new formal and structured project in the shape of TiK. Regards NAPM – Baz and others have clearly stated on this thread, and I have done so in others over the years – it was not a Trust initiative. The Trust would be acting unconstitutionally to drive such a campaign. That did not mean individual Trust members could not express their own views. That too would have been unconstitutional. Indeed, when the vote of no confidence against MJ took place, The Trust Board met with representatives of those behind that to explain why we could not just put the weight of our shareholding behind that. They had to respect that Trust members would have to vote to allow that to happen or not. Again, all in line with the Trust’s rules and taking into account the members’ wishes. Please, if you cannot ‘get’ the fact that NAPM was nothing to do with the Trust in terms of organisation or endorsement from various comments in threads and it really bugs you – meet me for a coffee and I’ll explain it face-to-face. Not a problem. Similarly, if the thought of TiK sticks in your throat I will happily talk to you about the benefits of the initiative. Finally – stop with the Uber Fan crap. If we truly ‘Are Killie’ we don’t descend into petty point scoring arguments like other clubs’ fans. If, however, you want sensible debate and conversation then I’m you man.
  11. Like Baz, I have a few things I want to say on this. However, i am really bogged down at work for the next couple of days so bear with me and i will post something in the next 3 or 4 days.
  12. in October 2018 it was okay. Folk sat where allocated and generally sat down unless the action on the pitch merited a reaction. In March I went into the main stand as was with St Mirren fans. No hassle and no probs with standing. Was seated as close to the Killie end as I could persuade the others so actually ok from that point of view too.
  13. The biggest issue here is detachment. On a forum like this you get the inevitable keyboard warriors- they even have the opportunity to hide behind a pseudonym. They are detached from the usual style of social interaction – face to face conversation. This in itself results in a kind of bravery they wouldn’t display normally. When supporters sit in the stands they have a physical detachment from the players on the pitch and, therefore, this same bravery, afforded by the anonymity of being in a crowd this time, surfaces. In both scenarios, the brave souls dishing out the abuse would be extremely unlikely to behave in a similar manner if standing or sitting in front of the person they are abusing. Seldom happens – pants fill up – bravado disappears – fear of a coherent discussion arising takes over – in some cases meeting the player makes them realise they are a bit of a hero – etc etc etc. What would help would be in the players made an effort, with the club’s approval or insistence, to interact more frequently with supporters. I am not just talking about organised events such as school visits – although these are undoubtedly good initiatives. The club should encourage players to drop into the Sports Bar or hotel – before games if injured/not selected and after if playing – to interact with supporters not attending the official functions in the stadium. Get to know their customer as it were. There could even be an area behind the Moffat stand where they can sign autographs and have selfies taken from, say 5 mins after final whistle until 30 mins after final whistle. A member of the coaching team and a squad member could also spend 5 mins with a mic in their hand talking, via Gavin doing a Q&A, to the gathered supporters in the venues. I know I have quoted initiatives at Glasgow Warriors on here before, but this is exactly what happens at Scotstoun in public bars and at a specific area of the ground after the game for the kids. Players are committed to such duties. It doesn’t appear to cause issues with a cool-down period, so I can’t really see why footballers would be any different in that regard. It would be more an attitude issue if that was being held up as an excuse. The players and fans therefore have a mutual respect which, in many cases, moves from unapproachable diva, maybe even hero, to good lad and a bit of a mate. Kids love it, adults enjoy it and supporters stick with shouting at the ref* rather than the guys wearing the jersey. And before anyone says ‘Rugby’s different’ – is it? Is the Ice Hockey any different? The same detachment exists if you think about it, but barriers are actively removed. Supporters are supporters, especially kids, regardless of the sport. It’s really just that other sports make a better effort perhaps? Just a thought. *Not condoning ref abuse – of course ;0)

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