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County were there for the taking last night. We should have seen the game out. Dyer is. Nice guy but he needs to turn good performances into wins. Can play down percentages as much as you like but winning and being successful is how he is gonna be measured. We need a 10 who can create or another player who’s gonna score. 

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18 minutes ago, Fletch said:

 

Stop looking at the "normal" maths in a situation that isn't normal.

Dyers run into the abandonment had Celtic twice, Aberdeen 3 times, Rangers, Hibs. After Christmas, realistically when he properly started, he had a very tough run and the league was abadoned going into St Mirren, Motherwell and then probably the bottom 6 where his ratio would look completely different!

After the restart, straight back into Hibs, Celtic and then now.

Stop with the win ratio stuff. It's not a normal win ratio. At least until he's had a proper run against everyone with his team anyway.

Yes but there were also some honking performances before the season finished like the defeats at Hamilton and St Mirren. Those are the games where we need to do better. 
However, the performances in the last three games have certainly been good enough. I’d have taken a point v Tic and a point away at County all day long. 
If we keep playing like that I’m sure the wins will come. This Saturday is important. If we put in a good performance again but don’t get the win then I might start to worry a bit but at the moment we don’t look like a team that will scrapping it out at the bottom. 

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We do seem to be on the whole playing quite well and Dyer needs to take credit for that but we do start to need wins here. When we got to 2-1 we were too open. Last 10 mins was end to end. On the plus side the players do seem to know what they are doing. St Johnstone game huge at the weekend! 

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38 minutes ago, Fletch said:

 

Stop looking at the "normal" maths in a situation that isn't normal.

Dyers run into the abandonment had Celtic twice, Aberdeen 3 times, Rangers, Hibs. After Christmas, realistically when he properly started, he had a very tough run and the league was abadoned going into St Mirren, Motherwell and then probably the bottom 6 where his ratio would look completely different!

After the restart, straight back into Hibs, Celtic and then now.

Stop with the win ratio stuff. It's not a normal win ratio. At least until he's had a proper run against everyone with his team anyway.

Performances mean nothing without points!

We weren't complaining about the performances under Clarke (there a few honkers) as he was putting points/wins on the board. This blaming the fixtures is pathetic, stating that he need to build his team before we can judge him is laughable, I didn't hear Clarke moaning about the team he inherited or see Angelo get the same time to build his team.

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46 minutes ago, Fletch said:

 

Stop looking at the "normal" maths in a situation that isn't normal.

Dyers run into the abandonment had Celtic twice, Aberdeen 3 times, Rangers, Hibs. After Christmas, realistically when he properly started, he had a very tough run and the league was abadoned going into St Mirren, Motherwell and then probably the bottom 6 where his ratio would look completely different!

After the restart, straight back into Hibs, Celtic and then now.

Stop with the win ratio stuff. It's not a normal win ratio. At least until he's had a proper run against everyone with his team anyway.

I want to be wrong and I hope come October you can find this conversation and pull me up on it.

But once weve played everybody once this season Dyers results NEED to be half decent. Otherwise we are going to be in serious danger

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21 minutes ago, historyman said:

Yes but there were also some honking performances before the season finished like the defeats at Hamilton and St Mirren. Those are the games where we need to do better. 
However, the performances in the last three games have certainly been good enough. I’d have taken a point v Tic and a point away at County all day long. 
If we keep playing like that I’m sure the wins will come. This Saturday is important. If we put in a good performance again but don’t get the win then I might start to worry a bit but at the moment we don’t look like a team that will scrapping it out at the bottom. 

We done more than enough at Hamilton to win, it wasn't a honking performance. Frustrating - absolutely. St Mirren was honking, and from what I hear St Johnstone not much better. 

But I absolutely agree with @Fletch. Statistics are great but they are completely hiding the context. His winless run has included a horrible run of fixtures by in large.

That being said, I thought we'd have went and won last night. Saturday is huge. 

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Terrible angles on rctv last night so I reserved judgement but having seen the sky highlights there, I fail to see why their penalty was given.

Never heard of that ref, assume he's one of the latest new batch. Oh dear.

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I have never agreed with the 'performances are good so thats ok' mentality.  A win is a win no matter how well or badly the team played.  I've seen comments saying playing like we will make the season acceptable as Killie won't be in relegation trouble.  Going too state the obvious but a team doesn't avoid relegation because the performances were good. 

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Tough place to go, went a goal behind, gained a point but would've been 3 were it not for terrible refereeing. 

I fail to see what the panic is. A win in the next game makes it a decent start, get the huns out the way and then try to go on a wee run.

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8 minutes ago, red_dug said:

Tough place to go, went a goal behind, gained a point but would've been 3 were it not for terrible refereeing. 

Agreed, we were denied two more obvious claims  with one a stonewaller and a booking if not a red card (not sure if you can get that and a pen now)

8 minutes ago, red_dug said:

I fail to see what the panic is. A win in the next game makes it a decent start, get the huns out the way and then try to go on a wee run.

On the reverse, if we only get a point or lose then realistically we will have 2 points from 5 games, albeit 2 of those against the bigit brothers. 

However when even the BBC question the decisions against us and likewise we were definitely the better side last night and contained Celtic with ease on Sunday, we can have some confidence that sooner rather than later our fortunes will change and someone will get a spanking.

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1 hour ago, historyman said:

Yes but there were also some honking performances before the season finished like the defeats at Hamilton and St Mirren. Those are the games where we need to do better. 
However, the performances in the last three games have certainly been good enough. I’d have taken a point v Tic and a point away at County all day long. 
If we keep playing like that I’m sure the wins will come. This Saturday is important. If we put in a good performance again but don’t get the win then I might start to worry a bit but at the moment we don’t look like a team that will scrapping it out at the bottom. 

I don't think you can blame the manager for the St Mirren game, or anything before Christmas. St Mirren in particular he was missing Power, SOD, Findlay and McKenzie went off after 20 minutes.

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43 minutes ago, Wee_Eck1979 said:

Performances mean nothing without points!

We weren't complaining about the performances under Clarke (there a few honkers) as he was putting points/wins on the board. This blaming the fixtures is pathetic, stating that he need to build his team before we can judge him is laughable, I didn't hear Clarke moaning about the team he inherited or see Angelo get the same time to build his team.

At what point did you get I'll take performances over points from what I said?

I'm saying you need to look at Dyers time with perspective. You can't just draw a line down the middle and look at a ratio. Over the course of half a season, or whatever he's had in total, it's a very unusual to have had Aberdeen 3 times and Celtic 3 times. When he's had a fair crack at everyone in the league, if the numbers are still not good then have at him. 

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Having now watched Sportscene, the decisions were even worse than I realised.

The Stewart handball is a clear handball, very hard to see how the ref has missed it. The linesman should have caught the Burke one. Embarrassing refereeing.

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Not going to criticise the manager as we were done by poor refereeing decisions. Didn’t think Kabamba was as effective as on Sunday and thought maybe a chance for Whitehall or Kiltie later on. 2nd half we were completely on top

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36 minutes ago, red_dug said:

Tough place to go, went a goal behind, gained a point but would've been 3 were it not for terrible refereeing. 

I fail to see what the panic is. A win in the next game makes it a decent start, get the huns out the way and then try to go on a wee run.

I agree. I'm quite surprised at the concern being shown. We got an away point to a team who had just won their opening two games, following up a point vs Celtic who beat us that last six times they played us.
The performances are good and if they keep that up wins will come. The season is only THREE games in, let's see where we are after 11 games (if we get that far!).
I'm far more encouraged than I was before the season started. Team selections have been right, tactics have been right and unlike last season we actually have a little strength in depth. We also have two fullbacks who don't look out of place in the SPL which I wouldn't have thought a couple of weeks ago.
The main concerns I have are the quality of the goalkeepers and the gifting of cheap goals (two by the goalies and then Dicker being caught like a youngster last night).
A win on Saturday will make things look a lot better and if they play like they have shown us they will be too good for St Johnstone.

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Not that it is any consolation, but apparently the match observer felt that both of our penalty claims were indeed penalties.

Plenty of aspects of Gavin Duncan’s performance being reviewed. 

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38 minutes ago, malcr0 said:

Not going to criticise the manager as we were done by poor refereeing decisions. Didn’t think Kabamba was as effective as on Sunday and thought maybe a chance for Whitehall or Kiltie later on. 2nd half we were completely on top

this exactly, Kabamba ran himself into the ground on Sunday and perhaps after an hour or 70 minutes when it wasnt his night je shouldve been replaced with Whitehall to see what he could do.  Also Kiltie for Pinnock would've given us a bit more creativity and other options.

However but for abysmal refereeing,  and one sided at that,  we'd have won comfortably.

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Remember County had an extra day rest more than us too.

Factor in probably the longest journey the team has to make this season and midweek too. I'll take a point.

Outside of Gardyne( we could do with a player like that) and Stewart,County were nothing great.

That's 2 really soft penalties they've had in their last 2 home games which has got them 4 points.

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3 hours ago, Fletch said:

 

he had a very tough run and the league was abadoned going into St Mirren, Motherwell and then probably the bottom 6 where his ratio would look completely different!

Why? We lost to Hamilton, Motherwell, St Johnstone and St Mirren with him in charge?

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I'm still reserving judgement on Dyer however performances so far are encouraging and morale in the squad seems high.  Watch the reverse angle from Burke's goal last night on the club FB page and you see every outfield player celebrating and in great spirits.  Also I thought Haunstrup looked very good when he came on last night and I'd like to see him get a start at left mid on Saturday.

 

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29 minutes ago, Gaz of the 20/20 said:

Why? We lost to Hamilton, Motherwell, St Johnstone and St Mirren with him in charge?

He also beat Rangers and drew with Celtic.

I've explained why. A general ratio over that amount of games wouldn't normally include 3 games v Aberdeen and 3 games v Celtic.

It's fair to say you've only won % of your fixtures but if you're constantly going to bang on about that single figure it's fair to point out the % that were against the OF, Aberdeen etc when they're abnormally high.

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