killie billies pal Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 You are of course entitled to your opinion chubbs but John Kiltie is a fine man and Killie fan, obviously his hands are bound just the same as Mann, Moran and Smith, I dont think it will be long to wait for Kilties name joining the above. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyhigh Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 On 18/10/2016 at 11:32 PM, fraz65 said: Yes. I stayed in the Dunblane Hydro recently, paid for by NHS Grampian. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme S Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 Is it not likely that the club/mj have billed George for the suit since he left the club? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piffer Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 56 minutes ago, Graeme S said: Is it not likely that the club/mj have billed George for the suit since he left the club? Maybe we got it back off him and Clark is currently scouting for a player to fit it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killie billies pal Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 1 hour ago, skyhigh said: I stayed in the Dunblane Hydro recently, paid for by NHS Grampian. No wonder there are waiting lists the length of the Amazon, have NHS not heard of tele meetings etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiekosmos Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 Surely the player and both clubs would have had a common understanding of who was paying for what and who was providing what before the loan deal was signed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azert Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 Clubs at many levels charge players/ employees for their suits. Most recent club i was at you paid £200 for the suit and you didn't own it. If you left the club you handed it back. It happens throughout the lower English leagues as well. Standard practice for a club our size. I'd imagine other scottish clubs are the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHolly1957 Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 1 hour ago, azertyuiop said: Clubs at many levels charge players/ employees for their suits. Most recent club i was at you paid £200 for the suit and you didn't own it. If you left the club you handed it back. It happens throughout the lower English leagues as well. Standard practice for a club our size. I'd imagine other scottish clubs are the same. What size would that be ? 42" regular? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3ckyh0td0g81 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Speaking to George tonight he flys out to Norway tomorrow for a medical with Viking FK hopefully all goes well for the lad and he gets settled ok 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casual observer Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Hopefully playing in Norway won't present the same homesickness issues he felt while in Ayrshire! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz of the 20/20 Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 I'd find it easier to settle in Stavanger than Galston 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just heard Green on BBC Radio 5 Live as part of a discussion about football's treatment of young players, eg rewarding them before they have achieved anything, having no incentives to achieve, receiving support or not etc. Green spoke about spending nine years in the Bradford City academy system then, at 15, suddenly being bounced into a transfer to Everton amid headlines about the new Rooney and £2m transfer value. He said he really just wanted to play rugby with his mate! He said that he had no-one to advise him about money - his dad died when he was young and his mum wasn't around - so he spent his money on the things he'd been deprived of growing up. He said that Everton didn't give him any advice at all. The PFA representative said they they were on hand to advise young players on a wide range of issues. Green said you had to go to the PFA, that they didn't come to you. He confirmed that he was out of contract with Stavanger since 31 December and is without a club. He didn't mention his history of depression. He sounded like an honest but very naïve young man who needs all the help he can get. You could see how might have floundered at Killie, expecting the club to do everything for him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey Repatriated Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 I definetly agree that young players have too much money thrown at them at a young age. It's no wonder they act like playboys. I think putting part of a young players wage in a trust would be a good idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3ckyh0td0g81 Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 There's a lot to be said for the old system of youth players coming through and cleaning the senior players boots, menial jobs etc and making them really work and earn their chance rather than being handed it because they had a good month in the reserves i know everything has to move forward from the dark ages but there is nothing wrong with having to work your arse off to earn what is a real opportunity my very first office job in my industry was in Paisley and my manager was an old dinosaur who used to put a 20p on my desk every morning around 10am and tell me "go grab my evening times son" while he stood chain smoking and drinking black coffee one day I forgot to get it and he called me into the office and ripped me to shreds and told me when he told me to do something I do and I better not forget at the time I was seething to the point I had tears in the eye and he was all the bastards under the sun but from that day I learned never to put myself in the position to let someone speak to me that way again and strangely out of all my managers in the last 20 years with the exception of one he's the man I respected most he had worked all his days and demanded respect rightly or wrongly but he did teach me about tenacity and making sure the job was done right these days you try that and you'd get the bullet my point is the old style thinking of having to earn the respect of your seniors and doing what your told when your told has become cloudy and they are taught to question everything and while I agree that old school way wasn't perfect what the new style of managing people has done has created this mindset of expecting everything served up to you on a silver plate and the ones that get things far too easy have no clue what it is to be made to really earn what you have anyway enough of my dinosaur rant I'm off to pick a fight with a velociraptor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 4 hours ago, Sp3ckyh0td0g81 said: There's a lot to be said for the old system of youth players coming through and cleaning the senior players boots, menial jobs etc and making them really work and earn their chance rather than being handed it because they had a good month in the reserves i know everything has to move forward from the dark ages but there is nothing wrong with having to work your arse off to earn what is a real opportunity my very first office job in my industry was in Paisley and my manager was an old dinosaur who used to put a 20p on my desk every morning around 10am and tell me "go grab my evening times son" while he stood chain smoking and drinking black coffee one day I forgot to get it and he called me into the office and ripped me to shreds and told me when he told me to do something I do and I better not forget at the time I was seething to the point I had tears in the eye and he was all the bastards under the sun but from that day I learned never to put myself in the position to let someone speak to me that way again and strangely out of all my managers in the last 20 years with the exception of one he's the man I respected most he had worked all his days and demanded respect rightly or wrongly but he did teach me about tenacity and making sure the job was done right these days you try that and you'd get the bullet my point is the old style thinking of having to earn the respect of your seniors and doing what your told when your told has become cloudy and they are taught to question everything and while I agree that old school way wasn't perfect what the new style of managing people has done has created this mindset of expecting everything served up to you on a silver plate and the ones that get things far too easy have no clue what it is to be made to really earn what you have anyway enough of my dinosaur rant I'm off to pick a fight with a velociraptor When I was Accies I didn't clean boots, some of the other kids did. But my duty was sweeping the main stand and making sure the washed training tops were folded away properly. We were in at 8am 5 days a week and had to go to Strathclyde park and setup the goals etc for the first team players. Even back then with us in lower leagues we had a respect and awe of those first team players who in hindsight (Quitongo and Hartley aside) very few went on to carve out respectable careers. I agree with your points, we seem to live in a climate now where such tasks seem beneath the youngest player. Even when we were in first team squad away from home knowing we wouldn't even make the bench, the reality of cleaning and running about after the first team kept most of us grounded that we hadn't made it yet... ... then again I'm sure Green was on more than £65 a week like we were so it's easy for me to say that!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historyman Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Bullitt said: When I was Accies I didn't clean boots, some of the other kids did. But my duty was sweeping the main stand and making sure the washed training tops were folded away properly. We were in at 8am 5 days a week and had to go to Strathclyde park and setup the goals etc for the first team players. Even back then with us in lower leagues we had a respect and awe of those first team players who in hindsight (Quitongo and Hartley aside) very few went on to carve out respectable careers. I agree with your points, we seem to live in a climate now where such tasks seem beneath the youngest player. Even when we were in first team squad away from home knowing we wouldn't even make the bench, the reality of cleaning and running about after the first team kept most of us grounded that we hadn't made it yet... ... then again I'm sure Green was on more than £65 a week like we were so it's easy for me to say that!! I think I read somewhere that some 17 year old was going to get something crazy like £40k per week from an EPL team to make sure he didn't move elsewhere. the whole thing is mad but like any bubble whether it is tulips, dot com stocks or bit coins it will burst some day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 2 hours ago, historyman said: I think I read somewhere that some 17 year old was going to get something crazy like £40k per week from an EPL team to make sure he didn't move elsewhere. the whole thing is mad but like any bubble whether it is tulips, dot com stocks or bit coins it will burst some day. 40k... jeezo. How the other half live eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_geezer Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, Bullitt said: 40k... jeezo. How the other half live eh? It’s like winning the lottery to be fair . Most professional footballers are nowhere near that , never will be . Plus , it is a massive bubble that is on the point of popping come the next Sky/BT round . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, diamond_geezer said: It’s like winning the lottery to be fair . Most professional footballers are nowhere near that , never will be . Plus , it is a massive bubble that is on the point of popping come the next Sky/BT round . That's it. If anything happened with those TV deals English football will combust. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, historyman said: the whole thing is mad but like any bubble whether it is tulips, dot com stocks or bit coins it will burst some day. 3 I'm not sure it will burst - might go down, should sports revenues shrink but no more than other football leagues as a %. The EPL is completely dominant as a worldwide super league, beyond Barcelona Real Madrid PSG Bayern. Also has the advantage of USA now having soccer as the top grassroots sport.Importantly (in terms of market share) the EPL on North and South American TV has no rivals for sports fans on TV schedules. 3pm or 8pm is early kickoffs in USA for breakfast or lunch viewing. Are no NFL, NBA NHL games on in direct competition with English football, but the revenues are less than NFL - despite more worldwide interest in football (arguably the EPL itself) than the NFL. With streaming, if the EPL goes down, NFL, boxing all the PPV sports will too. Edited January 6, 2018 by RAG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygod Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, diamond_geezer said: ... a massive bubble that is on the point of popping come the next Sky/BT round . From what I read, the likes of Netflix, Google and Amazon will come into the bidding and up the ante. Edited January 6, 2018 by skygod 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAG Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, skygod said: From what I read, the likes of Netflix, Goggle and Amazon will come into the bidding and up the ante. You might play a few quid extra on the iphone for live games of your choice too! EPL is still dominated by Sky/Tv model. Apple or Google could do what Sky did to the BBC. Sky are being sold to Disney, so it will be in their sights, then licensed out for TV viewing to Sky by whoever pays stupid money for overall rights. No change to traditional satellite TV customers but opens up internet (and cheap) worldwide broadcasting, protecting against the streaming itself. NFL or EPl will do alright cos of apple or google and the smartphone. Edited January 6, 2018 by RAG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killie71 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Boats and hoes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 There is more chance of the bubble bursting with only two bidders for the EPL rights. The rules state that the TV rights cannot go to one company (which is why there are now two packages to bid on) ... if both Sky and BT half their next tenders then they will both get a package and the Premiership loses 50% of it's income. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangodog Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 The bubble will only burst when common sense prevails. The harsh reality of breaking away from the European Union might force the inward looking to think again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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