Bobby Wales Contract

[OldKillieHero]

14 minutes ago, MarkyMark said:

What do you not get.

You said that it is rare for a club to offer contracts to a player unless they believe they are going to sign it.

I replied saying they did exactly that with Armstrong as at no time were terms agreed.
 

You then came back saying they issued it because they thought Armstrong was going to sign it.

If anyone is being contrary it is you. 

Issuing contracts is all part of negotiation. Any agent is going to want terms in writing to see the clauses in the contract. 

 

No. You said they offered a contract to Armstrong knowing he wouldn’t sign it. 
There is no difference between a club offering a contract because they believe/think/thought they might sign it. There is no contradictory moment here. 
 

[MarkyMark]

1 hour ago, OldKillieHero said:

No. You said they offered a contract to Armstrong knowing he wouldn’t sign it. 
There is no difference between a club offering a contract because they believe/think/thought they might sign it. There is no contradictory moment here. 
 

You said a club rarely offers a contract to a player unless they believe the player will sign it. I asked you if this is correct why did they offer a contract to Armstrong as he hadn’t agreed terms with the club at any point. This is a fact as if terms were agreed he’d have signed the contract. You then said the club issued the contract to Armstrong because they believed he would sign it. What would make the club believe he’d sign the contract if terms weren’t agreed? 

My point is that the club do issue contracts without terms being agreed or any certainty that a player will accept them and the Armstrong situation is clear evidence of this. It’s part of negotiation. 

 

 

 

[baz]

I think the one worried here should be Kyle Vassell. Also out of contract at the end of the season and currently not being missed to any great extent. Bobby is taking his chance and the manager's attitude towards him sounds notably improved.

Tell you what though, all this chat about making Bobby the highest paid player at RP is way off the mark, in my opinion. I'm pretty sure he'd be happy to be paid the same as his peers. It would be nuts to do that, can you imagine the effect that would have on the rest of the squad? Tools would be downed right left and centre and he's a fantastic player but no one can win games on their own.

I sincerely hope that we are offering him a decent deal and that he decides to stay a bit longer. He's literally just broken into the first team and looks a real prospect, some proper skills, and if he can continue his progress in that trajectory it will only mean good things for Bobby and for the club.

Starting down the pecking order at some English club at this point would not be the best move for his career, again that's only my opinion. He's proved that he has what it takes to be a first team starter in the SPFL, now he has the opportunity to prove that he can do that consistently...and starting again elsewhere is taking a big chance when he already knows the lay of the land here.

One thing is for sure, we are certainly heaping a pile of pressure on the boy about this contract with the incessant 'should he stay or should he go' chat and massive threads about it on the forums. It's great to hear the fans sing his name at the games, that'll mean so much more to him than whether the manager made a mistake not offering him another contract extension six months ago.

[AliBaba]

2 minutes ago, baz said:

I think the one worried here should be Kyle Vassell. Also out of contract at the end of the season and currently not being missed to any great extent. Bobby is taking his chance and the manager's attitude towards him sounds notably improved.

Tell you what though, all this chat about making Bobby the highest paid player at RP is way off the mark, in my opinion. I'm pretty sure he'd be happy to be paid the same as his peers. It would be nuts to do that, can you imagine the effect that would have on the rest of the squad? Tools would be downed right left and centre and he's a fantastic player but no one can win games on their own.

I sincerely hope that we are offering him a decent deal and that he decides to stay a bit longer. He's literally just broken into the first team and looks a real prospect, some proper skills, and if he can continue his progress in that trajectory it will only mean good things for Bobby and for the club.

Starting down the pecking order at some English club at this point would not be the best move for his career, again that's only my opinion. He's proved that he has what it takes to be a first team starter in the SPFL, now he has the opportunity to prove that he can do that consistently...and starting again elsewhere is taking a big chance when he already knows the lay of the land here.

One thing is for sure, we are certainly heaping a pile of pressure on the boy about this contract with the incessant 'should he stay or should he go' chat and massive threads about it on the forums. It's great to hear the fans sing his name at the games, that'll mean so much more to him than whether the manager made a mistake not offering him another contract extension six months ago.

So you don’t think DM’s most recent comments are “heaping a pile of pressure on the boy”? Time will tell how all this plays out but - personally - my concern is that DM and the club have played this one wrong and are now positioning things so as to paint themselves in the best possible light. DM being well supported - as usual - by his mates in the media…

[Mclean07]

His first time pass and then his touch for the goal yesterday were first class. However, I don’t think he has the physicality yet to make it in England. 

[All the Wine]

1 hour ago, baz said:

 

Tell you what though, all this chat about making Bobby the highest paid player at RP is way off the mark, in my opinion. I'm pretty sure he'd be happy to be paid the same as his peers. It would be nuts to do that, can you imagine the effect that would have on the rest of the squad? Tools would be downed right left and centre and he's a fantastic player but no one can win games on their own.

I'm pretty sure he'd be even happier earning double/treble what we're offering at an English championship club. He's maybe looking at someone like Ryan One at Sheffield Utd, who's went down and is now in and around their first team and thinking 'i could do that'

I agree with you about jumping in and making him our top earner tho. 

Finger's crossed he stays, I think he could easily be our starting forward next season and get similar or even better offers 

[killie1961]

1 hour ago, All the Wine said:

I'm pretty sure he'd be even happier earning double/treble what we're offering at an English championship club. He's maybe looking at someone like Ryan One at Sheffield Utd, who's went down and is now in and around their first team and thinking 'i could do that'

I agree with you about jumping in and making him our top earner tho. 

Finger's crossed he stays, I think he could easily be our starting forward next season and get similar or even better offers 

Knowing  DM playing style will be Marley  and Vassell up front if both fit.

[baz]

3 minutes ago, AliBaba said:

So you don’t think DM’s most recent comments are “heaping a pile of pressure on the boy”? Time will tell how all this plays out but - personally - my concern is that DM and the club have played this one wrong and are now positioning things so as to paint themselves in the best possible light. DM being well supported - as usual - by his mates in the media…

I think DM's comments make him look like he's trying to convince the boy to sign a contract extension. Probably not a bad idea on his part given he should have no doubt done it earlier. Doesn't matter what I say though, regardless of the situation some people will be determined to paint the club in a bad light and jump on each and every opportunity to have a go. That's fair enough I suppose, I did it myself when we had an egomaniacal despot trying to screw every penny he could out of the club, can't really say the same now though eh? As for DM getting support in the media or otherwise, that's what happens when you're generally a decent bloke to people, it inspires a bit of loyalty, the same reason a good few of our players have quoted as the reason they've signed for us in the first place.

Let's be clear here, in the eyes of most Killie fans it was a mistake not to offer Bobby a contract earlier, me included, but constantly berating the club and its employees for it achieves nothing, abso-fucking-lutely zero. It looks to me like McInnes has been impressed by how Bobby has risen to the occasion when asked and is eager to get him to stay, giving him minutes on the pitch and talking him up off it. Are you trying to tell me that's a bad thing? Bobby's here to the end of the season at least, like all the other players (apart from Armstrong, who's position is looking more tenable by the match) he has until then to decide where his own future lies. It's out of our hands now as much as it was six months ago, don't think for a minute he'd of snatched at a contract the way things were back then. Everyone assuming it would have been dead easy to get him to sign then, how can you be sure of that? I'm not convinced.

[cammy2012]

Wouldn't he be a perfect fit for a club to sign and loan back to Killie to continue his development, settled at home and playing regularly in the first team, rather than disappear into a development squad or academy in England? 

[superfan]

3 hours ago, AliBaba said:

So you don’t think DM’s most recent comments are “heaping a pile of pressure on the boy”? Time will tell how all this plays out but - personally - my concern is that DM and the club have played this one wrong and are now positioning things so as to paint themselves in the best possible light. DM being well supported - as usual - by his mates in the media…

All these "opinions" on here that DM and/or the club have got this contract situation wrong is, in my opinion, made up nonsense. We have over the last 2 seasons and indeed this season signed 3 players on pre-contracts. That alone should tell us that DM and the club are thinking months/ years in advance so I do not think playing the blame game is valid. I hope BW resigns and we ultimately get a very substantial fee for him so lets enjoy him while he is here.

 

AliBaba this post is not directed at you or any other poster of the same opinion it is only an other opinion with a differing slant.

[superfan]

33 minutes ago, killie1961 said:

Knowing  DM playing style will be Marley  and Vassell up front if both fit.

I doubt this very much

[Wrangodog]

If Bobby resigns it means he leaves. If he re-signs it means he signs a new contract. It sounds similar but it means the opposite.

[Ngonge88]

2 hours ago, cammy2012 said:

Wouldn't he be a perfect fit for a club to sign and loan back to Killie to continue his development, settled at home and playing regularly in the first team, rather than disappear into a development squad or academy in England? 

Although it would be good having a player of his ability. It would be absolutely gutting. 
 

Knowing if he was our player for another season we might have got 2.5 million or something 

[trenwick]

The worrying thing is that bit of skill controlling high ball, glide by two players and finish will now bring more bigger fish seeing him on there radar, knowing hes out if contract & offering him silly money high end championship which moves him way out our price range if he wasnt already. 

[GT]

54 minutes ago, Wrangodog said:

If Bobby resigns it means he leaves. If he re-signs it means he signs a new contract. It sounds similar but it means the opposite.

Faith restored - thank you! 😀

[bgb02burns]

A big contract offer to Armstrong on paper is both a political statement and a hard and fast take it or leave it tempting offer. The club dangled the biggest carrot they could and then could say this publicly while trying to sell our best player (at the time) because he would not sign the contract.
 

With the likes of Wales they not trying to do a take it or leave it offered they keep negotiating and hoping he will agree terms.  If he does not agree terms they will offer a contract anyway for various reasons but they not going yo do that now. 
 

Anyone not getting these things really has to calm down and work on their critical thinking and reasoning skills. It so obvious it should not need to be said. 
 

The big thing was Danny was not going to get that kind of offer near the end of his contract. They were prepared to pay him more than normal to increase the chance of them selling him for big money. It is a special situation not remotely comparable with Wales. 
 

Wales has not said he leaving so they still in negotiations. Danny wanted to go make more money and the club offered him as good as they could hoping he could continue impressing and earn a move that made them both more money. 
 

Our club does not often offer take it or leave it contracts in advance they tend to only happen at the end of the contract if nothing is agreed. Most of the time their Really is no point offering a contract to a player who has not agreed in advance to signing it. Main reason in doing so is so they can publicly say he refused to sign the offer we gave him. Why would the club want to alienate Wales like that. Reasons with Danny were we were justifying soliciting offers for him. 
 

Really hope that helps someone understand that “ No contract offered” does not mean the club is not doing everything they can to keep a player. 

[skygod]

1 hour ago, Wrangodog said:

If Bobby resigns it means he leaves. If he re-signs it means he signs a new contract. It sounds similar but it means the opposite.

How often does a footballer resign from his job?

Everybody knows what’s meant by resigning in this context.

[bgb02burns]

17 minutes ago, skygod said:

How often does a footballer resign from his job?

Everybody knows what’s meant by resigning in this context.

Footballers can resign and leave, they just do not get to play football with anyone else unless the club makes it “by mutual agreement”. 
 

Footballers rarely resign though, but they do re-sign frequently. 
 

Whether the hyphen is needed or even valid I do not known but technical resign means to leave by cancelling a previous agreement. Think it has origins in Latin meaning cancel or go back on an agreement or something. 
 

Re-sign is kinda lazy English to say they signed a contract again. Not sure if it counts to renew or sign again but I seen it used for both. 

[cammy2012]

11 hours ago, Wrangodog said:

If Bobby resigns it means he leaves. If he re-signs it means he signs a new contract. It sounds similar but it means the opposite.

Yawn.

[Mogwai]

For god's sake Bobby son, please sign the new contract if for no other reason than to put this bloody thread to bed! 

 

I can take some winding detours but the screeching handbrake turns, arguments and repetition have done for me. Now the grammar Elon Musks have turned up*

 

 

 

(*Do grammar nazis insist on having their dictionaries and thesauruses printed in Times New Roman Salute?)

[Robert]

Bobby will sign if for no other reason that killie get money.  He’s a decent guy and will do the right thing 

[Silent Bob]

43 minutes ago, Robert said:

Bobby will sign if for no other reason that killie get money.  He’s a decent guy and will do the right thing 

Absolute garbage, there is no guarantee we’ll get any money if he signs again. He will do what he believes is right for himself and so he should.

[Thebigguy68]

At least we are going to see him have a killie career - even if short lived. I was sure hed be off in january with the worst case scenario that he moved just as he was first team ready. Whatever mistakes have been made in allowing the situation to develop, at least we can enjoy him over the remaining games and hopefully he can fire us to the top 6 and (with a bit of luck) another euro campaign.

[Robert]

47 minutes ago, Silent Bob said:

Absolute garbage, there is no guarantee we’ll get any money if he signs again. He will do what he believes is right for himself and so he should.

Thanks for you reasoned opinion.  Obviously I’m not allowed one. 

[Bullitt]

I'd like to think he would sign to allow us to get our market share but there are no guarantees. Perhaps I'm looking at it with blue and white tinted glasses but as this is his main breakthrough season, it would be sensible to stay longer and establish himself as our main striker. Then he would get a move to far more prestigious clubs than are currently being discussed. Boys an absolute superstar in the making.