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13 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

You really don't have many arguments, do you? As Brian says, Labour can't afford the centre left agenda the SNP claim to approve of according to you, but somehow the SNP will finance a social and economic utopia with a bigger deficit than Greece. It truly is la la land.

 

no matter how much you quote this deficit worse than Greece mince, it won't make it any more true or accurate.  We have shown you so many times how this number and statement is complete sh1te, but you continue to spout this ridiculous propaganda with the glee of a drunken chimp.  No when you start to recognise that it is mince and have a grown up conversation perhaps more will listen to you.  Until then you will continue to be ridiculed by everyone else other than Brian, and Bham - your wee greeny pals.

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20 minutes ago, Brianstorm said:

All this absolute pish about it being down to the parents is all very well and good, but what about deprived kids, what about those with no parents or good for nothing parents? What about those born into a junkie family, who's parents were born into a junkie family and are part of the never ending cycle where there future is mapped out before they leave the womb? What about them? Their parents aren't going to teach them s**t so keep on doing your check me out I'm a great parent s**t but we aren't talking about you or your kids. This is about those who rely on, in fact absolute need school to save then or they have not a chance in hell. 

Despite your rather industrial language I do agree with your point that junkie parents generally will produce under achieving and very likely junkie children. The thing is teachers, no matter how dedicated they may be and in some deprived areas their dedication goes beyond anything in their job description, have very little influence on outcomes.

Back to my original point that if you want better outcomes for weans you have to start "kicking" the parents an not "kicking" the teachers harder or coming out with some arty farty new education "initiative."

Applying pressure to the parents is by no means easy. For example all the capping their benefits idea does is hit the weans (and probably the wummin in an abusive relationship as this rape clause shoutin match has demonstrated). You have to find some way of encouraging the parents to encourage the weans. Answers on a post card.

And by the way I'd start fund raising for education by abolishing charitable tax relief on private schools there really is a case of government benefits for the rich and its nothing to do with the SNP.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

I know you're not very good with numbers ( 15 billion deficit and all that ), but if you google you'll find higher rate tax relief on pensions totals at least 7 billion per annum. A tidy sum. Now I know you won't want to touch the as it would upset your policy Of subsidising the middle classes, but it's not really fair to ask others to feather bed your retirement.

Again with the 15 billion number, you keep spouting these daft numbers - sometimes its 7, others its 10 then the next time it is 15.  ALL of them are complete nonsense, and again for you being hard of understanding.  Any deficit comes from the estimated datasets used in GERS (24 of 26 to be precise), and as Scotland has a budget which must be legally balanced any deficit must come form the portion of spending which we do not control (75% of the total in case you had forgotten) and which the UK government simply guesses how much should be apportioned to Scotland as there really are no methods to actually identify properly what the true numbers are.

You decide to take everything this system, which it's originator has admitted was "designed to show that the devolved administrations were wholly reliant upon the UK for its existence", as gospel and beyond reproach.  The sensible people recognise them for what they are and largely ignore their significance on reality other than as a political tool for the union.

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9 minutes ago, Beaker71 said:

no matter how much you quote this deficit worse than Greece mince, it won't make it any more true or accurate.  We have shown you so many times how this number and statement is complete sh1te, but you continue to spout this ridiculous propaganda with the glee of a drunken chimp.  No when you start to recognise that it is mince and have a grown up conversation perhaps more will listen to you.  Until then you will continue to be ridiculed by everyone else other than Brian, and Bham - your wee greeny pals.

You think you're not ridiculed? Dear oh dear. The mince I spout is spouted by far more qualified people than you or me. I'm happy to go with them. By the way most figures in economics are estimates, but that mean the deficit could be even worse, not necessarily better. 

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41 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

Not really. They won't do away with financial assistance to poorer students and thousands of further education places at the same time. Keep up.

Are you saying poorer students in Scotland don't qualify for financial assistance? 

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43 minutes ago, Beaker71 said:

no matter how much you quote this deficit worse than Greece mince, it won't make it any more true or accurate.  We have shown you so many times how this number and statement is complete sh1te, but you continue to spout this ridiculous propaganda with the glee of a drunken chimp.  No when you start to recognise that it is mince and have a grown up conversation perhaps more will listen to you.  Until then you will continue to be ridiculed by everyone else other than Brian, and Bham - your wee greeny pals.

And the 55%.

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1 hour ago, Mclean07 said:

You really don't have many arguments, do you? As Brian says, Labour can't afford the centre left agenda the SNP claim to approve of according to you, but somehow the SNP will finance a social and economic utopia with a bigger deficit than Greece. It truly is la la land.

 

That's rich someone supporting Brian, he just comes on here swearing all the time. Anyway, I'm glad I have a life and don't troll looking for stories made up by your right wing rags. Then come on spouting s**te hoping to get into an argument about who's right and who's wrong. At the end of the day you will vote Labour, SNP will lose seats t your other party, you will come on smirking as usual, but Scotland will still be a s**tehole governed by right wing toffs.

PS taken leaf out of B

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2 minutes ago, Mcilroy56 said:

That's rich someone supporting Brian, he just comes on here swearing all the time

f**kity f**kity f**k f**k 

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1 hour ago, Mclean07 said:

 The mince I spout is spouted by far more qualified people than you or me.

At least you can admit its mince.  By the way you do realise that GERS represents how Scotland is managed by the union in the union and do not have any real bearing on what an independent nation would look like?

So please keep going as your numbers are hardly a ringing endorsement of your beloved union.

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30 minutes ago, Brianstorm said:

Stick to the question cherry ya f**king doughnut. 

You must be watching a different programme, she has answered everything asked, and like all politicians on the panel put their own spin on it. The others are just the same, why just pick on Cherry

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8 minutes ago, Mcilroy56 said:

This is Edinburgh, a lot of different accents allowed to speak or "picked out" the crowd

I thought you were inclusive mate. Are people from Edinburgh only allowed to speak jock in your world? Cherry says we are internationalist but the English urnae. Sounds like you urnae either. Only freedom fighters allowed on jock question time for you. She's a wee s**te wuman that cherry. 

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16 hours ago, Mcilroy56 said:

They seem to agree that they have a lot in common, perhaps the SNP in South Ayrshire aren't as far right as some would believe

I believe the same is happening in Renfrewshire as well.

So does this mean that because they have gotten into bed with the Red Tories who are in bed with the Blue Tories that we can, unequivocally, now call the SNP the Tartan Tories? :2:

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6 minutes ago, Sandman396 said:

I believe the same is happening in Renfrewshire as well.

So does this mean that because they have gotten into bed with the Red Tories who are in bed with the Blue Tories that we can, unequivocally, now call the SNP the Tartan Tories? :2:

Can we call McLean a Tartan Tosspot now? Or just a Tosspot?

Anyway, nice of Labour to copy several SNP flagship policies in their Manifesto.

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