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18 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said:

My aunt and uncle went the other way, much to my surprise also. Never in a million years did I think my uncle in particular would vote SNP.

My mother in law was the same, for her she says it all changed in 2014.  A labour voter for 40 odd years will never vote for them again while they work with Tories and against Scotland.  Her words not mine.

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On 5/12/2017 at 8:50 AM, Mclean07 said:

Quite a few people are afraid to air their views on here because of the SNP mob. 

Aye right they do.You have any proof of this at all, you would have been shouting it from the rooftops.

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18 hours ago, plunkit said:

A fag is not a public school skivvy.

A Skivvy is a female domestic servant.

A Fag is a junior pupil who, for example, brings a senior pupil coffee or cleans his rugger boots.

Just thought I'd clear that one up for you. My fag is now running a successful Investment House in good old London...taught him well.

You put it better than me. It's the only meaning and it clear I was referring to Harvey being her wee puppet. 

I trust the moderators will now give you a warning for using the word, as that's why I got one.

Thats the last I'll say on the matter as it's simply a witch hunt by the SNP boys to distract from the highlighting of their abysmal record in government.

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On 12 May 2017 at 8:43 AM, Mclean07 said:

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Oh no, this proves everything they're saying!! What can we do?

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Dont worry, lads, this should sort it. 

Back to Indy ref2.......Tally Ho!!

 

No answers yet to the Trump style cover ups of p1sspoor performance. Absolute disgrace.

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14 hours ago, Zorro said:

Patrick Harvie isn't and has never been a public school pupil, so it appears to be an odd thing to call him. However, casual homophobia is not unusual in your generation, so there's little doubt in my mind, about what you meant. 

Ps, I didn't grass on you. 

Pps, any chance of you answering about your claim that financial support had been abolished for Scotland's poorest students, due to free tuition? I think this is the third time I've asked and you've failed to clarify your claim so far. 

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9 hours ago, Killie71 said:

Go easy on old Mclean. He cannot answer for fear of being held up as a feckin hypocrite.

McLean is a hypocrite. His whole argument against Scotland being independent is based on the "too poor" argument, founded  on inaccurate GERS figures. Now his beloved Labour Party are proposing increasing the Uk deficit, instead of criticising that, he chooses to defend it by asking, why it's possible for the SNP to propose a manifesto which in his opinion would result in a deficit, but not Labour? It's a stupid and hypocritical position to hold  

His "better together", inclusive, internationalist facade is blown apart by statements wishing unemployment on the people of Sunderland and for Scots to be taught a lesson by having their cities overrun by immigrants. Recently, as he's become more concerned about the sun finally setting over the Empire, he's taken to casual racism and homophobia. Some socialist. 

Tbh I think his "socialism" extends as far as his free pension, free bus pass, free tv licence and free health and social care for his generation. Free university tuition was seen, until just this week, as being subsidising the well off at the expense of the poor. He doesn't care that future generations are lumbered with crippling PFI payments, for infrastructure which in many cases will never be publicly owned, because it means there's shiny new buildings for him to use now. He doesn't care that the younger generations have been priced out of the housing market by his generations decision to dispose of the public housing stock and the wholesale scaling back of public building projects, because it increased the value of his home. He lauds Labours decision to subsidise private industries labour costs, through tax credits, because he considers it better for the poor to miss out on services, the money could have been better spent on, rather than him having to pay slightly more for products, due to manufacturers having increased costs. 

His shortsighted selfish views are probably best summed up by education and oil. With oil he celebrates every drop in the price of a barrel, despite it impacting on the ability to provide services for the poorest, because he believes it proves he's right, Scotland is too poor. He won't entertain the idea that this natural resource is being mismanaged by the UK government, despite similar sized countries making significantly more from oil production. 

Education is his new favourite target, probably because Corbyn seems keen to adopt many of the other policies implemented by the SNP. Here he thinks Scottish children are uniquely schooled in a vacuum, free from any other societal repercussions. Social, economic, and environmental impacts are all brushed aside by our resident arch unionist. Kids aged twelve aren't doing as well this year and the SNP have been in power for ten years, ergo it's all their fault is his logic. To him it doesn't matter that poorly educated, underachieving parents, negatively impact on the prospects of children ( Labour educated parents)That a huge part of the education budget is being wasted on reprehensible PFI contracts  Labour contracts). That children are going to school on empty stomachs or have poor diets, impacting on their ability to concentrate (Scottish labour consistently vote against funding breakfast clubs and other free school meal programs). That a lack of prior planning has lead to a dearth of experienced and highly qualified teachers. (Labour failure).Or that in many cases the buildings are falling down around the children's ears (Labour again). All that matters is the PISA tables show Scottish education is now average among developed nations. That alone is enough to get out the #SNPbad banner.

 

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2 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

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How does student debt compare in Scotland compared with the rest of the UK? I'm also confused as to why you'd share a link, which implicitly states the Scottish government offer greater support than the English system, as proof Scottish support has been abolished for the poorest students. 

1 hour ago, Mclean07 said:

My warning has been revoked, Zorro. Bad day for you. 

Thanks Brian. Better Together :)

I can't say I'm concerned by your warning status. However you're clearly educated enough to realise exploiting the duality in the meaning of some language, allows you to play the "I'm simply misunderstood" card , while sending a dog whistle to those who share your bigoted views. It's a tactic more commonly associated with UKIP and Conservatives. However the anti-Semite section of Labour often embrace it too. 

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4 hours ago, Zorro said:

How does student debt compare in Scotland compared with the rest of the UK? I'm also confused as to why you'd share a link, which implicitly states the Scottish government offer greater support than the English system, as proof Scottish support has been abolished for the poorest students. 

I can't say I'm concerned by your warning status. However you're clearly educated enough to realise exploiting the duality in the meaning of some language, allows you to play the "I'm simply misunderstood" card , while sending a dog whistle to those who share your bigoted views. It's a tactic more commonly associated with UKIP and Conservatives. However the anti-Semite section of Labour often embrace it too. 

Sorry, I thought you could read and you would understand it's yet another in a long list of policies that transfer wealth from the poor to the better off.

As for your bigot comments I would love you to say it to my face and not from behind a keyboard. You're a disgrace.

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54 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

Sorry, I thought you could read and you would understand it's yet another in a long list of policies that transfer wealth from the poor to the better off.

As for your bigot comments I would love you to say it to my face and not from behind a keyboard. You're a disgrace.

Lest you forget you implied I am a bigot as well, pot/kettle. PS you don't want him to do that, he's much bigger than you xD

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10 hours ago, Zorro said:

His whole argument against Scotland being independent is based on the "too poor" argument,

Sounds like a rock solid argument to me, and by all accounts about half the population of Scotland.

Before Beaker has an epileptic fit, I am not talking about facts here I am talking about perceptions and the perception among 50% of the Scottish populating is we could not make it. It is up to the SNP to change that perception.  So far they have not done that, it they don't address the perception we are too small, too poor, to make it they are f**ked. Simples. 

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15 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

Sorry, I thought you could read and you would understand it's yet another in a long list of policies that transfer wealth from the poor to the better off.

As for your bigot comments I would love you to say it to my face and not from behind a keyboard. You're a disgrace.

LOL, you calling anyone a disgrace,lol

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16 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

Sorry, I thought you could read and you would understand it's yet another in a long list of policies that transfer wealth from the poor to the better off.

I did read it and it said the Scottish government provides more financial support than the uk government. You said it had "done away" with it. This is clearly a lie. 

16 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

As for your bigot comments I would love you to say it to my face and not from behind a keyboard. You're a disgrace.

Are you threatening me?

 

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10 hours ago, gdevoy said:

Sounds like a rock solid argument to me, and by all accounts about half the population of Scotland.

Before Beaker has an epileptic fit, I am not talking about facts here I am talking about perceptions and the perception among 50% of the Scottish populating is we could not make it. It is up to the SNP to change that perception.  So far they have not done that, it they don't address the perception we are too small, too poor, to make it they are f**ked. Simples. 

I accept that a section of the population have been conditioned to believe we're "too poor", whether it's anywhere near the 50% you claim is debatable. IMO the unionist vote is more complex than it being simply down to the balance sheet. The majority are "better the devil you know" nationalists, then there's "blood, soil and religion" nationalists, and finally the "I'm alright Jack" nationalists. The SNP would be wasting their time trying to change the perceptions of at least one of these groups. 

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