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Interesting stuff in the Labour manifesto, traditional Labour values you could say?

However, like the Lib Dem or Green manifestos, it's easy to create a "nice" manifesto, when you've no chance of forming the government.

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35 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

The hard truth is that Labour is a great party that has done great things. In the 1940s, it salved the wounds of war with the NHS; in the 1960s, it made Britain more equal and more tolerant; in the Blair years, Labour brought radical social and constitutional change while lifting children and pensioners out of poverty. May should acknowledge that, though she disagrees with their politics, Clement Attlee and Jennie Lee, Denis Healey and Barbara Castle were patriots who, along with countless Labour men and women, made Britain a better, fairer place to live. 

Fraser Nelson, arch Tory, acknowledging the best reforming party in British political history. 

But they and the tories agreed Scottish independence didn't make any economic sense. Don't you get that mate? This makes them pure evil cause they agreed with them dirty rotten evil tories on something 

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7 hours ago, Brianstorm said:

I'll be voting labour. 

 

7 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

Ditto

Good. Splitting the unionist vote between Labour and the more popular Tories, is great news for the SNP. It's just a pity the Lib Dems are lead by a homophobic, god botherer, with the personality of a dead fish or the unionist vote could have been diluted further. 

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It is a very appealing manifesto from Labour, I like JC at least he sticks to his principles. I hope this manifesto see's them gain more voters down south and even up here that may have been tempted to vote Tory in order for the SNP to have less power.

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37 minutes ago, Skora11 said:

I hope this manifesto see's them gain more voters down south and even up here that may have been tempted to vote Tory in order for the SNP to have less power.

I don't see why anyone worth their salt as a Tory, would consider voting Labour, because of this... Labours most Left Wing manifesto in 30 years?

Might be different in Scotland mind - one can't underestimated the "Anything but the SNP" vote.

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8 minutes ago, Brianstorm said:

ABTSNP 

What a stupid thing to say.  

Generally sentences are constructed from words ,not individual capital letters jammed together.

Does sound a bit like those stupid Celtic fans I heard on the train recently - except I've never heard that variation.

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32 minutes ago, Sp3ckyh0td0g81 said:

I was reading  the kickback when I got a notification pop up with this story from the telegraph 

 

Labour manifesto would 'bankrupt Britain' with £250bn debt and biggest tax burden since 1950s - The Telegraph
https://apple.news/AHRwc5GTOTGWKOqM6oaJ1pQ

 

This type of news piece is very familiar to supporters of independence,  but that will be of little comfort to the unionists now finding themselves on the receiving end of it. Can't say I have any sympathy for them.

Do a bit of reading on groups like the Constitutional Research Council or Cambridge Analytica to see how things get done in Uk politics. 

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8 hours ago, Zorro said:

This type of news piece is very familiar to supporters of independence,  but that will be of little comfort to the unionists now finding themselves on the receiving end of it. Can't say I have any sympathy for them.

Do a bit of reading on groups like the Constitutional Research Council or Cambridge Analytica to see how things get done in Uk politics. 

The Tories plus coalition have accrued more debt in the last seven years than all Labour Governments put together. We don't get that rammed down our throats everyday. The BBC have been a disgrace in my opinion. In a tweet the other day Laura K virtually repeated word for word a Tory election poster. They're far too quick to reflect the agenda of the Right Wing press from tha morning. MSM.....bah!!

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Mclean07 said:

The Tories plus coalition have accrued more debt in the last seven years than all Labour Governments put together. We don't get that rammed down our throats everyday. The BBC have been a disgrace in my opinion. In a tweet the other day Laura K virtually repeated word for word a Tory election poster. They're far too quick to reflect the agenda of the Right Wing press from tha morning. MSM.....bah!!

 

 

 

It's not like some of us never moaned about this in 2014! We were told we were paranoid though.....

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30 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

Does this mean McLean likes JC now? He was slating him the other week!

I been more impressed than I thought with his campaign and the manifesto. However, a lot of the trouble he's facing is because he didn't do the groundwork and put certain things to bed months ago. And then we have McCluskey, who's backed him all the way, saying he can't win!! Bizarre.

By the way, I went to see Alan Johnson at the Boswell Book Festival and he was very good. Great back story, humorous and very pleasant to speak to. 

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3 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

It's not like some of us never moaned about this in 2014! We were told we were paranoid though.....

Cmon Squirrel lad, that was too easy :)

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2 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

In a tweet the other day Laura K virtually repeated word for word a Tory election poster.

Happens all the time. You either have to attribute it as a direct quote or apply some critical oversight IMO.

As I remember Hesseltine got Sacked by Maggie for insisting the cabinet actually discussed a "cabinet press release", which was basically just Thatcher's view, before they issued it to the press. Old school eh? Maggie did away with that nonsense.

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Had one ear trying to listen to the news last night and I thought I heard someone say that Labour will produce a Scottish Manifesto in the next few days.... surely that can't be correct for a U.K. wide general election? That would be akin to saying that they have reservations about the union, it surely has to be all for one, or are they secretly hoping and planning for Independence? Perhaps one of the party faithful can clear this up.

PS, I see Reds and Blues cuddlying up to each other to for co-alition in Aberdeen City council despite SNP having 8 more seats that anyone else. 

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33 minutes ago, Mcilroy56 said:

Had one ear trying to listen to the news last night and I thought I heard someone say that Labour will produce a Scottish Manifesto in the next few days.... surely that can't be correct for a U.K. wide general election? That would be akin to saying that they have reservations about the union, it surely has to be all for one, or are they secretly hoping and planning for Independence? Perhaps one of the party faithful can clear this up.

PS, I see Reds and Blues cuddlying up to each other to for co-alition in Aberdeen City council despite SNP having 8 more seats that anyone else. 

Kezia Dugdale has already confirmed that she doesn't think Labour's tax proposals go far enough, and that she'd use the Scottish parliaments tax raising powers to increase the burden further. Some suspicious minded people might suggest that as she hasn't a hope in hell of hell of being in a position to do so, she's simply trying to paint Labour as more socialist than her rivals and put pressure on the incumbent government.

 

ps. Labours Scottish executive committee have ruled out Labour going into coalition with the Tories in Aberdeen so unless a decision is made to defy party orders, the coalition should be a nonstarter. Saying that; there's a lot of skeletons in that particular closet (which the snp and local independents had begun exposing) so they may well defy the party on this. 

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1 hour ago, Zorro said:

Kezia Dugdale has already confirmed that she doesn't think Labour's tax proposals go far enough, and that she'd use the Scottish parliaments tax raising powers to increase the burden further. Some suspicious minded people might suggest that as she hasn't a hope in hell of hell of being in a position to do so, she's simply trying to paint Labour as more socialist than her rivals and put pressure on the incumbent government.

 

ps. Labours Scottish executive committee have ruled out Labour going into coalition with the Tories in Aberdeen so unless a decision is made to defy party orders, the coalition should be a nonstarter. Saying that; there's a lot of skeletons in that particular closet (which the snp and local independents had begun exposing) so they may well defy the party on this. 

It says on BBC news that the local Labour Party are set to go against the Scottish executive, we wait and see if they grow a set or reneige. As for Kez and tax powers, a lot can happen in 3/4 years until the next election, so really that is a non starter for this election.

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3 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

I been more impressed than I thought with his campaign and the manifesto. However, a lot of the trouble he's facing is because he didn't do the groundwork and put certain things to bed months ago. And then we have McCluskey, who's backed him all the way, saying he can't win!! Bizarre.

By the way, I went to see Alan Johnson at the Boswell Book Festival and he was very good. Great back story, humorous and very pleasant to speak to. 

McLuskey is one of the reasons I jacked in my Union membership. That and the fact they are useless anytime you need them!

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7 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

McLuskey is one of the reasons I jacked in my Union membership. That and the fact they are useless anytime you need them!

McLuskey now backtracking on said statement. He may have been guilty of over lowering expectations. I am hopeful Labour can be seen credibly as as any other outcome would be very damaging to the UK and the peoples of its component parts IMO.

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1 hour ago, Mcilroy56 said:

It says on BBC news that the local Labour Party are set to go against the Scottish executive, we wait and see if they grow a set or reneige. As for Kez and tax powers, a lot can happen in 3/4 years until the next election, so really that is a non starter for this election.

Aye, cos there's no SNP/Tory coalitions, are there?

This red/blue thing s really tiresome, especially given the distance that exists between the parties, as every half informed person acknowledges. Even on here.

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Kez did well on Radio Scotland phone on today. She's got a thankless task, but at least she seems genuine and doesn't answer every question with that mocking, arrogant half laugh that Sturgeon and Salmond specialise in.

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