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2 minutes ago, Wrangodog said:

Free speech. I don't agree with his statement but it's his opinion. 

Shutting down mosques would simply radicalise more Muslims. The surgeon who treated some of the children from the Manchester bombing was a Muslim. Should we close down his place of worship ? The problem isn't a religion, it's a radical interpretation of that religion.

Scotland of today. What a disgrace. 

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6 hours ago, Riverplatekillie said:

Time to shutdown the Mosques,root them out.

The same way we should have closed down Catholic Churches during the troubles? Stupid idea

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13 hours ago, Wrangodog said:

The problem isn't a religion, it's a radical interpretation of that religion.

The problem as, it usually is, is poverty and ignorance. Islam just provides a legitimacy for angry young men.

In my experience, if you are an angry young man you can usually find a legitimacy somewhere.

 

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9 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

The problem as, it usually is, is poverty and ignorance. Islam just provides a legitimacy for angry young men.

In my experience, if you are an angry young man you can usually find a legitimacy somewhere.

 

The attacks weren't just anger, we're not going to solve this by giving them better jobs and a better way of life. The attacks were hatred against our way of life, a pop concert, and people out for a drink on a Saturday night. The men that attacked Glasgow Airport had good jobs but that didn't stop them.

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3 minutes ago, Wrangodog said:

The attacks weren't just anger, we're not going to solve this by giving them better jobs and a better way of life. The attacks were hatred against our way of life, a pop concert, and people out for a drink on a Saturday night. The men that attacked Glasgow Airport had good jobs but that didn't stop them.

They hate the west and everything about us but one of the bastards was wearing an Arsenal top. Absolute brain donors.

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1 hour ago, Wrangodog said:

The attacks were hatred against our way of life  ......

The perpetrators behaviour is still fuelled by anger born out of poverty and ignorance (and frustration).

I'll grant you that it originates from a small group of Wahabihist Muslim clerics who are convinced that no-one living a "Western" lifestyle can enter the kingdom of God and therefore we must all be eradicated to purify the world. 

But they are not the people killing children on our streets. They have harnessed the ignorance of young men born in this country and the poverty of many Muslim people around the world. Actually it's the Shias they really hate, Westerners are just background noise to them really.

At present we are containing the problem but there is no way we are going to make it go away by censoring Facebook and YouTube, bombing Assad in Syria and most certainly allowing race hate to flourish in our own country by "Shutting down Mosques" and "Rooting them out" when you have no clue how to differentiate between "them" and "us".

We could try to get the Saudi's to crack down harder on this at source but we seem unwilling or unable to confront our Saudi friends with the harsh reality that this is their problem which they have to fix. The Saudis seem to be intent on pointing us at Shia Iran which has not been involved in any international terrorism. 

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So where do we go from here...?

Everyone knows it's Saudi Arabia & other Gulf states who are funding, fuelling and inspiring extremist ideology. But successive governments have bent over backwards and bowed down to pleasure the Saudis ... "Enough is enough" says May, but she won't publish the UK government terrorist funding report as it focuses too much on Saudi links to terrorism... who the UK have recently approved £3.5bn worth of arms export licences to! What happens to all these guns, missiles, triggers etc? 

How about some new laws against terrorism? Well, since 2000 the UK has averaged a new terrorism statute every two years... so many that the government has run out of names for them: Terrorism Act, Anti-Terrorism Act, Counter-Terrorism Act. It's difficult to imagine what more laws about terrorism there could be and the ones we have haven't stopped acts of terrorism (along with c.10,000 police jobs lost)... but hey, they're seen to be doing something and it gives good headline.

Counter-terrorism does not need new laws. It needs resources, plenty of them, and steady ongoing support from our politicians and the public... everybody working together for a change.

But that would be dull and costly.

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7 hours ago, gdevoy said:

The perpetrators behaviour is still fuelled by anger born out of poverty and ignorance (and frustration).

I'll grant you that it originates from a small group of Wahabihist Muslim clerics who are convinced that no-one living a "Western" lifestyle can enter the kingdom of God and therefore we must all be eradicated to purify the world. 

But they are not the people killing children on our streets. They have harnessed the ignorance of young men born in this country and the poverty of many Muslim people around the world. Actually it's the Shias they really hate, Westerners are just background noise to them really.

At present we are containing the problem but there is no way we are going to make it go away by censoring Facebook and YouTube, bombing Assad in Syria and most certainly allowing race hate to flourish in our own country by "Shutting down Mosques" and "Rooting them out" when you have no clue how to differentiate between "them" and "us".

We could try to get the Saudi's to crack down harder on this at source but we seem unwilling or unable to confront our Saudi friends with the harsh reality that this is their problem which they have to fix. The Saudis seem to be intent on pointing us at Shia Iran which has not been involved in any international terrorism. 

That doesn't explain why there were doctors involved in the attack at Glasgow Airport. They weren't poor or ignorant, they knew precisely what they were doing. There is no easy short-term solution to the terrorists attacks. There is perhaps, a long term solution, but that would also need to address the problem with white working-class youths, since they are the breeding ground for neo-nazi recruitment. 

The solution, if there is one isn't to be found in a football fan's website.

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4 hours ago, Wrangodog said:

The solution, if there is one isn't to be found in a football fan's website.

Are we allowed to talk about it, if that's alright with you of course?

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22 hours ago, gdevoy said:

The perpetrators behaviour is still fuelled by anger born out of poverty and ignorance (and frustration).

I'll grant you that it originates from a small group of Wahabihist Muslim clerics who are convinced that no-one living a "Western" lifestyle can enter the kingdom of God and therefore we must all be eradicated to purify the world. 

But they are not the people killing children on our streets. They have harnessed the ignorance of young men born in this country and the poverty of many Muslim people around the world. Actually it's the Shias they really hate, Westerners are just background noise to them really.

At present we are containing the problem but there is no way we are going to make it go away by censoring Facebook and YouTube, bombing Assad in Syria and most certainly allowing race hate to flourish in our own country by "Shutting down Mosques" and "Rooting them out" when you have no clue how to differentiate between "them" and "us".

We could try to get the Saudi's to crack down harder on this at source but we seem unwilling or unable to confront our Saudi friends with the harsh reality that this is their problem which they have to fix. The Saudis seem to be intent on pointing us at Shia Iran which has not been involved in any international terrorism. 

Where are these Wahabist Clerics?, seems clear that they have no place on this earth and should be "dealt with". Sadly the cretins carrying out these recent atrocities are amateurs, which makes them harder to find, they are using knives as a direct link to the means of slaughtering animals.

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Trumps antics with the London Mayor is ridiculous even the NY Mayor Bill de Blasio is at a loss as to why Trump is attacking him

The guys a joke

 

US President Donald Trump has again lashed out at London Mayor Sadiq Khan over his assurances to Londoners following Saturday's terror attack.

He accused Mr Khan of offering a "pathetic excuse" for saying there was no reason for people to be alarmed.

Mr Khan had in fact said people should not be alarmed by an increased police presence.

After a vigil for the victims of the attack, Mr Khan said he would not allow Mr Trump to "divide our communities".

Seven people were killed and 48 others injured in the attack on Saturday.

Mr Trump took issue with Mr Khan's statement in the aftermath of the attack, when the mayor said: "Londoners will see an increased police presence today and over the course of the next few days. No reason to be alarmed."

The US president responded: "At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is 'no reason to be alarmed!'"

He followed this up with another tweet on Monday, saying: "Pathetic excuse by London Mayor Sadiq Khan who had to think fast on his "no reason to be alarmed" statement. MSM [mainstream media] is working hard to sell it!"

The mayor's spokesman earlier made clear that he was telling Londoners not to be worried about the increased presence of armed police officers in the city.

Speaking to the BBC after the vigil, Mr Khan said: "We've got to recognise that some people want to divide our communities, some people thrive on fuelling division.

"That's not me, that's not the London I know, and we aren't going to allow anybody, whether it's Donald Trump or anybody else to divide our community."

His spokesperson earlier said he "has more important things to do than respond to Donald Trump's ill-informed tweet that deliberately takes out of context" the mayor's remarks.

Calls to withdraw London invite

Mr Trump's attacks on Mr Khan have drawn condemnation from both sides of the Atlantic.

His critics have accused him of being insensitive and twisting the mayor's words.

Politicians in the UK on Monday called on the prime minister to withdraw the invitation for Mr Trump's state visit later this year.

The leader of the Liberal Democrats, Tim Farron, said: "This is a man insulting our national values at a time of introspection and mourning."

Over the weekend, Prime Minister Theresa May refused to criticise Mr Trump, simply saying that Mr Khan was doing a "good job".

British voters go to the polls on Thursday in a general election.

"Try to imagine the UK prime minister attacking the Mayor of NYC the day after 9/11," said European Parliament cabinet member Simon O'Connor.

US mayors back Khan

New York Mayor Bill de Blasio was quick to defend Mr Khan, praising him for "doing exactly the right thing".

"I don't understand why Donald Trump is trying to undermine a man who's trying to protect the people of London. It makes no sense," Mr de Blasio told the BBC's Nick Bryant during a press conference in New York on Monday. Trump renews feud with mayor of London

The US Conference of Mayors, representing more than 1,400 American cities, backed Mr Khan.

"He has risen above this crisis of death and destruction, as mayors continue to do, to alleviate fear, to bring comfort to his people of London," the mayors wrote in a statement on Sunday.

Mr Khan, a Muslim, has previously criticised the president's plans to temporarily restrict travel to the US from six mainly Muslim countries.

After Mr Trump as a presidential candidate announced his plan, Mr Khan told the BBC he hoped he would "lose badly", adding that he was a "buffoon".

He also called Mr Trump's views on Islam "ignorant", leading the New York billionaire to challenge him to an IQ test.

In the wake of the London attack, Mr Trump has been tweeting about his stalled travel ban.

ederal courts struck down the first proposal in January. The administration replaced it with a less stringent version order in March, but that also ended up in limbo after legal defeats.

On Monday, the president attacked the Justice Department for revising the original measure, leaving it "watered down" and "politically correct".

The Trump administration is expected to take the proposal to the Supreme Court next week.

He argues the measure is needed to prevent attacks in the US, but critics say the policy is discriminatory and has little national security justification.

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15 hours ago, Scooter said:

Are we allowed to talk about it, if that's alright with you of course?

Yes, I will allow talking, but only if you behave.

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If May had any metaphorical balls, she would phone Trump and tell him to mind his own business.

And withdraw the state visit invitation. 

 

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15 hours ago, skygod said:

If May had any metaphorical balls, she would phone Trump and tell him to mind his own business.

One gets the feeling, with Trump, his mother just forgot to slap him round the lug and remind him about how grownups had to have manners.

When I go off on a late night Trumpesque rant on the boards at least I apologise and own up to the Stella afterwards. God knows what Trump and been drinking before he went on Twitter, but watching a grown up adult try to justify a infantile rant after the fact was cringe worthy.

Has May even thought of the number of painfully cringe worthy moments this state visit will entail, Setting aside the "security issues". 

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