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On 2/21/2020 at 4:14 PM, killieblues said:

The Peugeot e-208 looks a possibility but when you read down the information, the range halves when averaging 81mph (weird that they came up with an illegal speed!). That would knock the range down to 110 miles. A motorway/by-pass journey back home to Stevenston (330 miles) from Nottingham would take a while!

It's important to mention that the range of combustion engine cars also drops by about the similar amounts at high speeds.

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Of course, combustion engine cars have an efficiency peak around 40mph but it's much lower on electric cars.

Corsa and 208 look very good options. Both built on the same platform and have ~200 mile ranges. More importantly they charge fast at 100kW which brings the 10-80% charge time to less than 30mins. They are primarily town/city cars though, Tesla still rules the motorway.

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Company i work for runs a few electric vans and from what i hear from the guys that use them, they are horrific. Pretty sure it's Fiat's that they drive and the guys were telling me that when the vehicles were brand new and on a full charge their range was only 140 miles, now the vans are a couple of years old now the range has dropped to 110 miles, by the time they have put the heater on to de-mist the windscreen,turn on the lights, put the radio on and also the tracking device - the range drops to 90 miles, from Kilmarnock they will get one trip up the valley to Darvel and back or maybe a trip to Mauchline and back and they have to return to the yard to recharge them. As they are vans they are sometimes carrying a bit of equipment in them so their range is reduced even further !!!!

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30 minutes ago, caltonkid said:

Company i work for runs a few electric vans and from what i hear from the guys that use them, they are horrific. Pretty sure it's Fiat's that they drive and the guys were telling me that when the vehicles were brand new and on a full charge their range was only 140 miles, now the vans are a couple of years old now the range has dropped to 110 miles, by the time they have put the heater on to de-mist the windscreen,turn on the lights, put the radio on and also the tracking device - the range drops to 90 miles, from Kilmarnock they will get one trip up the valley to Darvel and back or maybe a trip to Mauchline and back and they have to return to the yard to recharge them. As they are vans they are sometimes carrying a bit of equipment in them so their range is reduced even further !!!!

It’s batteries that are **** - unless you’re paying top dollar for a Tesla who are also at the cutting edge of battery technology.

Even if other companies build electric cars, Tesla have a serious edge in battery technology and by 2030 or whenever combustion cars get outlawed, they’ll be mass producing the powerplants in their Gigafactories for VW or whoever.

That’s where Musk is a Tech genius like Bill Gates, the Tesla batteries/engines/autopilot will just become industry standard and licensed out to whoever as a system on every car.

Currently he’s Steve Jobs and keeping it only Tesla tech. But so many governments are banning combustion cars, is more money in licensing the powerplant to everyone, than selling just one brand of super quick motor.

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I think haulage is more likely to go to hydrogen first, then battery once they get good enough. Electric vans are laughably underpowered at the moment most have got smaller battery capacities then cars. Good for inner-city deliveries though. They're not made for national speed limit driving.

Tesla, at the moment, don't make batteries. They buy them off Panasonic. They are about to start making them themselves. It's their motor/general vehicle efficiency that's unbeatable at the moment.

Their cars are build ground up to be electric so they can fit more storage in than most. Model 3 has 70kWh, Model S had 100kWh. Nissan env-200 van, which is probably the most popular electric van, has 40kWh. The van that Rivian are building for Amazon will have 180kWh.

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On 3/1/2020 at 7:37 AM, Lroy said:

Tesla, at the moment, don't make batteries. They buy them off Panasonic. They are about to start making them themselves. It's their motor/general vehicle efficiency that's unbeatable at the moment.

Telsa are rumoured to have a Graphine (super thin, super strong, layers of graphite like a pencil!) battery on the go, which charges in a fraction of the time current ones do, doesn’t increase capacity though!

On the subject of Panasonic batteries sold under different names, their rechargeable AA/AA Eneloops are best in business but about £15 for a 4 pack, but you can get the same Panasonic Eneloop battery in IKEA, marketed as a white IKEA LADDA ‘made in Japan’ battery at 4 for a fiver. Only one factory in Japan makes that spec of battery.  But are excellent batteries, they hold a charge for years (unlike most rechargeables)  and are a bargain compared to buying standard AA/AAA’s at that price. Wouldn’t usually remember IKEA product names but LADDA was memorable for a good value, superior product!

 

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