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With Jezza’s resignation due in mid-December, any thoughts on the runners and riders as the next leader of Labour? Will they go for another student politics type leader, dabble with another Blairite or something completely different?

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14 minutes ago, Zorro said:

Will they go for another student politics type leader, dabble with another Blairite or something completely different?

Id struggle to name any of the shadow cabinet candidates beyond Starmer or Abbot.  McDonnell i dont think would be an option post Corbyn. Sir Keir Starmer a nailed on cert. you'd think, although you never know with Labour and where candidates stand with Momentum or the Unions ‘block’ votes in any contest. 

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Think they'll hold a Christmas raffle for the National job and the Branch Office position.

First prize is a nice hamper; second prize is a lovely bottle of mulled wine; booby prize is Leader badges.

:)

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46 minutes ago, Zorro said:

With Jezza’s resignation due in mid-December, any thoughts on the runners and riders as the next leader of Labour? Will they go for another student politics type leader, dabble with another Blairite or something completely different?

Could split the UK Labour Party wide open.

There is a Marxist core membership who will not have anything other than an unelectable far left nut-job.

Then there are a shedload of pPower hungry pseudo-socialist MPs who want to get power, who will insist on a right of centre Blairite type leader.

Good luck with that.

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Common sense would suggest someone like Starmer, Benn or Cooper who have a pragmatic, adult view of the world. 

Because the members and TUs vote for the leader, it will be Rebecca Long-Bailey probably. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said:

I still think that had they chosen David Milliband as leader, they'd be in government right now.

I think Labour, as a Left of centre party, have been unelectable as a UK government since the 1970s. In my experience the "middle ground" down south is way right of centre, more aligned with US blue collar workers, Just look how the masses flock to support Farage and his "insurance base health care" ideas and his "welfare just encourages scroungers" message. That is the basis of my, some might say tepid, support or an independent Scotland. It is our only chance to get a more left leaning government. In my experience Scottish people may be more socially conservative but are culturally more socialist than those form Engerland. 

The thing about independence that puts me off is the "fanatics" who simply can't see the downside. It will all be wonderful, everybody will be able to afford 2 BMWs and there will be 24 hour social care for all.    

 

 

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2 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said:

I still think that had they chosen David Milliband as leader, they'd be in government right now.

If we make a sensible choice, brother, we will reap the rewards of the Brexit disaster up and coming. Interesting that you always accuse Labour of being sell outs and then say the most Blairite of candidates would have been a success. Of course Blair himself (and Brown) were spectacular successes in Scotland in elections and Corbyn (much more left wing) hasn’t been. Thes because it’s a myth that Scotland is left wing. 
The opening post is just trolling, by the way, but good to see people having a serious discussion. 

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7 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

I think Labour, as a Left of centre party, have been unelectable as a UK government since the 1970s. In my experience the "middle ground" down south is way right of centre, more aligned with US blue collar workers, Just look how the masses flock to support Farage and his "insurance base health care" ideas and his "welfare just encourages scroungers" message. That is the basis of my, some might say tepid, support or an independent Scotland. It is our only chance to get a more left leaning government. In my experience Scottish people may be more socially conservative but are culturally more socialist than those form Engerland. 

The thing about independence that puts me off is the "fanatics" who simply can't see the downside. It will all be wonderful, everybody will be able to afford 2 BMWs and there will be 24 hour social care for all.    

 

 

New Labour were very successful in “left wing” Scotland. Funny that. You’re right about socially conservative, though. And as an independent country their fiscal conservatism would soon surface as they had to take decisions for themselves and not blame “the English” for everything. 

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8 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

Of course Blair himself (and Brown) were spectacular successes in Scotland in elections and Corbyn (much more left wing) hasn’t been.

That's because it took the Scots so much longer long to see that Blair was a pseudo-socialist like very many Labour MPs today.

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6 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

... take decisions for themselves and not blame “the English” for everything. 

No-one with any credibility blames "the English" for anything but I know it's a balloon you have to keep afloat

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6 minutes ago, gdevoy said:

That's because it took the Scots so much longer long to see that Blair was a pseudo-socialist like very many Labour MPs today.

They never did vote him out though. I suggest it’s because Scots are centre ground small c conservatives and the left wing story is a myth that you keep propagating. I lived in England and noticed not one jot of difference in attitudes to tax, welfare or immigration. Every social survey says the same, but if you keep repeating the same lie it will be believed. If they were so left wing they would have rushed to Corbyn’s left wing Labour. They haven’t. 

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9 minutes ago, Scooter said:

No-one with any credibility blames "the English" for anything but I know it's a balloon you have to keep afloat

Nippy uses them at every singe FMQs to measure her “achievements”. She just uses the dog whistle ‘Westminster”.

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10 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

I lived in England and noticed not one jot of difference in attitudes to tax, welfare or immigration.

I worked in England for 5 years and the difference in attitudes between the Home Counties "working class" and the people form central Scotland was stark. There is no comparison.

It was summed up by the comment of one "East Ender" in a documentary about the impact of gated communities on the East End of London, "I 'm not interested in education, I just want money". 

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Just now, gdevoy said:

I worked in England for 5 years and the difference in attitudes between the Home Counties "working class" and the people form central Scotland was stark. There is no comparison.

It was summed up by the comment of one "East Ender" in a documentary about the impact of gated communities on the East End of London, "I 'm not interested in education, I just want money". 

I was in the North.

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David Miliband is hated by the Labour Party membership, more so now than then, for his closeness to Blair and his support for the Iraq war. Also for his making a packet from a dubious charity. 

It speaks volumes that the membership revile Blair, who won three elections, while worshiping Corbyn who is a loser. 

It’s a stance which consigns them to opposition. So different from the Tories who will hold their noses and vote for a perceived winner, given the option. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Mclean07 said:

I was in the North.

I was about 30 miles north of London. Yeah, there does seem to be a bit of a stark contrast there. Still its the working class in the North that seem to be drawn to Farage's extreme right agenda.

They seem to blame the EU for all the s**t that has been heaped on them by the Tories and are now voting to get piles more heaped on them by the ERG. Insane. 

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When I think of Socialism and left of centre I certainly don't think of Tony Blair. The difference between New Labour,Tories and Lib-dems were minimal.

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6 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

 Thes because it’s a myth that Scotland is left wing. 
 

I’m interested by this statement. This being the case what “type” of Labour have you been voting for and what is your preferred stance that a future Labour Party should take.

You have voted for Blair who was considered right of centre and you don’t like Corbyn who is well left of centre. I’m intrigued to really know here you position yourself

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5 minutes ago, Mcilroy56 said:

I’m interested by this statement. This being the case what “type” of Labour have you been voting for and what is your preferred stance that a future Labour Party should take.

You have voted for Blair who was considered right of centre and you don’t like Corbyn who is well left of centre. I’m intrigued to really know here you position yourself

Harold Wilson

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