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25 minutes ago, Culley159 said:

Sorry I can't agree with that at all. There will always be clubs that dominate leagues, the 50+1 rule has for the most part stopped Gretnas happening, that's growth but its artificially stimulated, its like athletes taking steroids and performance enhancing drugs to get better results. Clubs should have ambition to achieve the best they can but in a sustainable fashion so the very fabric of the club does not come under threat. There are exceptions to every rule and  that is what is happening here and why the German fans are rallying against it. As for cherry picking, that's how the transfer system works, 'big' clubs buy from smaller clubs and the smaller clubs get the money and try and invest it the best they can. The better a club does the more fans it brings in and the more money they get, allowing them to financially compete with 'bigger' clubs. Success breeds success, that's what its all about, finding the right combination and winning things, not just buying everything.

We'll need to agree to disagree on almost all of what you've said, other than it stopping the collapse of gretnas. 

Money in football has won over since the beginning of the 20th century, the notion that the so called big clubs just happened to become big and get to where they are today naturally is a lovely notion but it's just that. It's all artificial, the sport has been artificial for years. Money breeds success, sorry to be cynical but it absolutely always has and always will. The difference now is that since the 90s big spending really hit astronomical numbers, and these days if clubs want to compete at that level then the figures are so ridiculous that people are now treating it with the contempt which wasn't present 40,50,60 years ago. 

The 50+1 might have been a great thing in days gone by, when players were often more loyal to clubs, perhaps their hometown club or club who gave them their first start. It wasn't as easy for the likes of Bayern Munich to go to a  Frankfurt or a Koln and help themselves to whoever had played well that season. These days it's just that. Lewandoski, Hummels, Goetze a few examples, and from Hoffenheim Sule and Wagner just recently. Just a few examples, it leaves the entire process dated and ends football as a competition. What's the point? 

Where I do agree with you is that's the way it is not just in Germany but in most counties, no more so than Scotland. I know it will hugely split opinion, but I'd love to dream that one day Killie will come into money and be competing with those bastards up the road and ending their dominance. I won't give a damn if folk deem it 'artificial' or not, they've got to where they are by outspending everyone else and benefitting from everything from ticketing to TV money so I wouldn't care in the slightest if we done it a bit differently. So longs any potential owner was in the likes of Dietmar Hopp, and not a Vladimir Romanov, there's nothing wrong with it for me. 

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As it happens, this just came up. Quotes there from a member on the UEFA board. Seriously, how are clubs supposed to compete with this? Sorry its not completely on topic, but it is related in the way that football is designed for the protection of a few clubs and a few clubs only. 

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27 minutes ago, Dieter's Heeder said:

As it happens, this just came up. Quotes there from a member on the UEFA board. Seriously, how are clubs supposed to compete with this? Sorry its not completely on topic, but it is related in the way that football is designed for the protection of a few clubs and a few clubs only. 

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So the same would apply to Sevco. 

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2 hours ago, Dieter's Heeder said:

We'll need to agree to disagree on almost all of what you've said, other than it stopping the collapse of gretnas. 

Money in football has won over since the beginning of the 20th century, the notion that the so called big clubs just happened to become big and get to where they are today naturally is a lovely notion but it's just that. It's all artificial, the sport has been artificial for years. Money breeds success, sorry to be cynical but it absolutely always has and always will. The difference now is that since the 90s big spending really hit astronomical numbers, and these days if clubs want to compete at that level then the figures are so ridiculous that people are now treating it with the contempt which wasn't present 40,50,60 years ago. 

The 50+1 might have been a great thing in days gone by, when players were often more loyal to clubs, perhaps their hometown club or club who gave them their first start. It wasn't as easy for the likes of Bayern Munich to go to a  Frankfurt or a Koln and help themselves to whoever had played well that season. These days it's just that. Lewandoski, Hummels, Goetze a few examples, and from Hoffenheim Sule and Wagner just recently. Just a few examples, it leaves the entire process dated and ends football as a competition. What's the point? 

Where I do agree with you is that's the way it is not just in Germany but in most counties, no more so than Scotland. I know it will hugely split opinion, but I'd love to dream that one day Killie will come into money and be competing with those bastards up the road and ending their dominance. I won't give a damn if folk deem it 'artificial' or not, they've got to where they are by outspending everyone else and benefitting from everything from ticketing to TV money so I wouldn't care in the slightest if we done it a bit differently. So longs any potential owner was in the likes of Dietmar Hopp, and not a Vladimir Romanov, there's nothing wrong with it for me. 

Wonder what English team you support ...

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