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9 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said:

What other costs are there attached to WFH other than a wee bit extra leccy?

Plenty of folk will be getting stat sick pay when their work closes, so I think we'll be the lucky ones as I assume like me, you'll get full pay.

You or I will be a couple of hundred quid out of pocket at most by time restrictions are taken off.

In terms of working from home this isn’t self isolating for two weeks, this is possibly for duration of the epidemic.

Could be months of this.

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1 minute ago, Andy said:

In terms of working from home this isn’t self isolating for two weeks, this is possibly for duration of the epidemic.

Could be months of this.

You are one of the lucky ones. 

Lots of people will be losing out due to this or having to face a lot more risk to their health every day by going to the office. 

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1 hour ago, dasboag said:

All of the above and Scotland won't cancel mass gatherings until Sevco have had their 2 big paydays this week.  Call a cynic or paranoid - but there's truth in it.

Would love it to be taken out of their hands by, ironically, the Tories they think they love so much.

That game is meaningless now with creptic running away with the league

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1 case in Shropshire to my knowledge. Just been to Aldi and it was very busy for a Thursday mid morning and they said it was because of virus fears. No bog rolls in Tesco at all. Very little in Aldi. Not sure the govt shouldn't have given regional Red Amber Green or such like ratings as folk defo panic buying. 

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10 minutes ago, killie1961 said:

That game is meaningless now with creptic running away with the league

It will now become a winner takes all play-off. Season over. :P

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1 hour ago, Shropshire_killie said:

1 case in Shropshire to my knowledge. Just been to Aldi and it was very busy for a Thursday mid morning and they said it was because of virus fears. No bog rolls in Tesco at all. Very little in Aldi. Not sure the govt shouldn't have given regional Red Amber Green or such like ratings as folk defo panic buying. 

The virus is no respecter of region, and the supermarkets have national supply chains. 

I experienced the same “panic” shopping this morning but it was mostly older people who are more likely to be isolating in the next few weeks. 

This generation is pretty sensible, to generalise greatly, and I doubt that they are clearing the shelves selfishly. 

What is concerning is that we as a country are becoming isolated in not imposing restrictions of one kind or another.

This is based on scientific and medical advice but it means that, if that advice is incorrect, we may be much worse affected. 

Even worse is the US where Trump has gone in the space of a few days from deriding the virus as being a hoax, to comparing it as being less of an issue than flu, to shutting out European flights. 

Much of this is politically motivated, of course, and it is concerning that the US is in the hands of much a delinquent moron. Their health care model could result in disastrous consequences. 

 

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3 hours ago, Prahakillie said:

All schools closed here for at least a month. 

All cultural and sporting events involving a gathering of more than 100 people have been banned. 

All main tourist sites closed, churches, castles etc. 

Football still going ahead behind closed doors. 

Ice hockey play-offs cancelled. (playing a game involves more than a hundred people even without spectators) 

 

Update:

The Czech government has declared a state of emergency due to coronavirus in the Czech Republic from 1800 on Thursday, banning events with more than 30 people as well as shopping centers, restaurants and bars from operating from 2000 to 0600 for the next 30 days. All health clubs, saunas, swimming pools, tanning salons and other spas will be closed. Additionally they have announced that citizens of 14 countries, including 11 EU states will be denied entrance to the Czech Republic. In addition to China, South Korea and Iran, the measure concerns a number of EU countries, such as Italy, Spain, Austria, Norway, Sweden or France. It will also not be possible for foreigners to cross the Czech-Austrian and Czech-German borders.

 

 

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2 hours ago, killie1961 said:

That game is meaningless now with creptic running away with the league

I'm not a panic buyer of or doomsday predictor (unless its Killie results!) but I'm not happy that the Scottish Government are taking all of these steps after one of the biggest attended events in the country - Sevco get their two big paydays and Scotland as a country get two things that others are taking great pains to avoid:

- an influx of people from a highly affected area (Leverkusen)

- a subsequent and almost immediate gathering of 50-odd thousand people from our biggest city, not to mention the other 50k they will mix with before and after the game.

 

So in short, it'll be Sevco's fault....seems about right.

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8 hours ago, skygod said:

The virus is no respecter of region, and the supermarkets have national supply chains. 

I experienced the same “panic” shopping this morning but it was mostly older people who are more likely to be isolating in the next few weeks. 

This generation is pretty sensible, to generalise greatly, and I doubt that they are clearing the shelves selfishly. 

What is concerning is that we as a country are becoming isolated in not imposing restrictions of one kind or another.

This is based on scientific and medical advice but it means that, if that advice is incorrect, we may be much worse affected. 

Even worse is the US where Trump has gone in the space of a few days from deriding the virus as being a hoax, to comparing it as being less of an issue than flu, to shutting out European flights. 

Much of this is politically motivated, of course, and it is concerning that the US is in the hands of much a delinquent moron. Their health care model could result in disastrous consequences. 

 

 

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We should be doing all we can to flatten the curve and try and replicate what Singapore and Hong Kong have done. These areas had experience from SARS which is why they were better prepared than Western countries. 

Every major spectator event that is allowed to take place shows a complete disregard for the health of the elderly population and the healthcare workers who are expected to go above and beyond during the pandemic. 

It looks as though the Melbourne Grand Prix has been cancelled, due to some of the McLaren team testing positive, comments from Lewis Hamilton, and public pressure. 

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Full shut down is inevitable in my opinion .... especially now Mikel Arteta has tested positive. 

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12 hours ago, Prahakillie said:

All schools closed here for at least a month. 

All cultural and sporting events involving a gathering of more than 100 people have been banned. 

All main tourist sites closed, churches, castles etc. 

Football still going ahead behind closed doors. 

Ice hockey play-offs cancelled. (playing a game involves more than a hundred people even without spectators) 

 

Heard that East-Ayrshire have discussed closing schools next week...

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1 hour ago, fraz65 said:

We should be doing all we can to flatten the curve and try and replicate what Singapore and Hong Kong have done. These areas had experience from SARS which is why they were better prepared than Western countries. 

Chalk and cheese.  Singapore has an area of 721 km2 Hong Kong 1, 106 km2.  By comparison, East Ayrshire alone is 1,262 km2.

Thus you’re population density in places we should be ‘replicating’ is at least 300-1000 times more persons per km2.  

A different approach will be optimal in less dense populations, comapred to the most dense on Earth - like all health considerations and especially as coronavirus doesn’t survive well outside.

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1 hour ago, RAG said:

Chalk and cheese.  Singapore has an area of 721 km2 Hong Kong 1, 106 km2.  By comparison, East Ayrshire alone is 1,262 km2.

Thus you’re population density in places we should be ‘replicating’ is at least 300-1000 times more persons per km2.  

A different approach will be optimal in less dense populations, comapred to the most dense on Earth - like all health considerations and especially as coronavirus doesn’t survive well outside.

It's not really comparing chalk and cheese, although I appreciate that there are some differences.

It's comparing developed nations exposed to the same virus who have had different approaches to containment and delay. 

If anything, greater population density should make a pandemic more difficult to control. I'm not a public health specialist though so not sure whether this is definitely the case. 

Singapore banned mass gatherings as soon as local transmission started. They did this when they had 22 cases. Those 22 cases were more likely to have been a correct number than the UK's estimate due to their approach to testing. By contrast,  the UK has taken similar action when it has (according to estimates) between 5,000 and 10,000 cases. 

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The problem is that it takes years to prepare for a pandemic, so any measures that the UK took in February wouldn't have been as effective as Singapore and Hong Kong. Nonetheless, more could have been done. 

These areas were exposed to SARS and have prepared for future pandemics accordingly. 

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What we're seeing is Western countries reacting to what has happened to Italy and trying to retroactively impose the same control measures that the Asian countries successfully implemented. 

The sad thing is that this virus was containable but years of inaction and poor planning has resulted in the current crisis. 

As recently as last week, infectious disease specialists were telling us that the UK was culturally different to Asia and that banning mass gatherings for a prolonged period wouldn't be possible here. There wasn't a jot of behavioural psychology evidence to back this up. 

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Hubei province has a similar population density to England. They have managed to slow the spread of the virus from 3,500 cases per day to double digits. 

They have mainly done this in two ways.

1. Mobile testing units. Suspected cases have a white blood cell count and a rapid flu test. If both are negative, they have a mobile CT chest scan performed. Those suspected of having the virus are immediately isolated and not allowed to return home. 

2. Social isolation. Football stadiums full of hospital beds are used to house people away from their families. 80% of viral spread is within family clusters. Social isolation in the home doesn't work. 

South Korea have a similar strategy, although less draconian. We know what works to slow the spread of COVID-19 and we know what fails. Western governments have a choice which route they want to pursue. 

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4 hours ago, fraz65 said:

By contrast,  the UK has taken similar action when it has (according to estimates) between 5,000 and 10,000 cases. 

What you mean there is that the UK has no idea how many cases it has. I heard the guy on the radio estimate that yesterday, and if that was his 'estimate' he should have kept his mouth shut.

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As earlier poster said more important to get the Rangers Celtic game done. 

There was a bit of a contradiction at conf yesterday as one of the "experts" said that its handy (or words to that effect), for some to get it to build up a "herd", immunity. 

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33 minutes ago, chubbs said:

Was on the radio earlier that they need around 60% to get infected in order to build immunity.

That means 350,000 dead elderly people in the UK. 

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2 hours ago, Shropshire_killie said:

As earlier poster said more important to get the Rangers Celtic game done. 

There was a bit of a contradiction at conf yesterday as one of the "experts" said that its handy (or words to that effect), for some to get it to build up a "herd", immunity. 

There are a lot of people posing as experts who have no idea what they are talking about. 

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26 minutes ago, fraz65 said:

There are a lot of people posing as experts who have no idea what they are talking about. 

I'm one of them. 

But with insight. 

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4 minutes ago, fraz65 said:

I'm one of them. 

But with insight. 

You're a doctor are you not? (or similar) At least your input comes from an educated background in medicine.

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