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21 hours ago, NorfolkG said:

Nathan Jones, Alan Curbishley, Alan Pardew (employed at similar level to us), John Hughes, Nigel Adkins.

I wanted Gary Holt in summer (not a popular choice on here) but it doesn’t mean he’s the only option. There are lots of good managers out there looking for a route in.

Nigel Adkins I feel is exactly the type we should go for: stable, successful and commands respect.

Sorry, I stopped reading at John Hughes.

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3 minutes ago, Pompey Exile said:

No reason Holt couldn't form the same sort of partnership with The Fowler

Hasn't someone on here said that they don't get along?

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2 hours ago, mitch14 said:

Presented with no opinion from me on whether its accurate or not - but the story is that Martindale is an excellent coach whose past means he can't be involved to the extent he would be otherwise. I've heard his convictions mean he can't do his coaching badges? No idea if that's true.

So the theory goes they need someone to be manager and let him do the work behind the scenes. There have been stories that Martindale does all the tactical work and largely sets up the team. 

I've heard alleged examples apparently from players that Holt is a good motivator and alright coach but his involvement in training is minimal. Will caveat that by saying its from sources who have turned out to be completely wrong about other things... But it's a story that does the rounds still. 

Will also add when you do hear these stories there's no indication that Holt isn't respected, it just seems to be presented that the system works. 

David Hopkin feeds into this. Livi played brilliantly under him and got those promotions. He was a complete disaster at Bradford and now has Morton massively underperforming in the Championship. The same stories went about about Hopkin and there was chat that was why he moved on so quickly (ie jumped quick because he knew he might never get a better offer).

There's then another layer above with Martindale which I don't follow fully which is that there is something dodgy going on at Livi on the business side and he is involved in that... Again - no idea what all that's about but it comes up. 

As I said - no idea whatsoever if any of that is true but those are the stories that get told. 

I haven't ever heard it suggested that Holt is useless though, more that there's a question mark about how he'd do on his own. 

Thankee.  Had heard something about previous convictions existing, but that was about it.

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1 hour ago, Pompey Exile said:

No reason Holt couldn't form the same sort of partnership with The Fowler

Fowler's job doesn't involve coaching the first team (or anybody else).

 

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2 hours ago, mitch14 said:

I've heard alleged examples apparently from players that Holt is a good motivator and alright coach but his involvement in training is minimal. Will caveat that by saying its from sources who have turned out to be completely wrong about other things... But it's a story that does the rounds still. 

So Holt is a Scottish Martin O'Neill? No wonder we shouldn't touch him with a barge pole...

Sarcasm not aimed at you mitch14 - appreciate you're painting the picture. To be fair, you've probably reaffirmed what most had heard about Martindale.  Whether Martindale is some sort of uber coach or not though, GH has other credible experience which would normally make him good candidate for the Killie gig.

Edited by theboyjohnston

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1 hour ago, Squirrelhumper said:

Sorry, I stopped reading at John Hughes.

That list was purely a chance for me to write his name.

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9 hours ago, cammy2012 said:
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How does that translate into being  Gary Holt's puppet master at Livi.  I smell bulls**t. Go on  those who write this crap. Provide evidence or shut the f**k up. Holt for me as next manager.

If it's any consolation @cammy2012, I had the same thoughts as you when rumours started surfacing of players not taking to Alessio as early as Largs or Inverclyde or wherever the pre season stuff was before Spain. I didn't believe a word of it because I didn't want to. I asked people for evidence and sources but when they weren't named, I dismissed them as rumours despite them growing as time went on and more and more people saying the same thing.

Of course, that could have been true and this could be garbage. But as I've said previously, I've heard much the same as what @mitch14 has posted. It's from a close friend of a member of the Livingston first team squad. Believe it or don't, I'm only passing it on because it's a messageboard and he's being discussed. I was first told about it early last season when Clarke was our manager, I've asked about it recently and told its still the same approach.

None of it might be true, part of it might be true, or it all might be true. Believe what you like. 

On a different note, and this is just my opinion which would make all of the above a moot point in any case - whether its Holt or Martindale running the show I'd still have my doubts when I look at their record. Definitely punching above their weight so credit where its due but I just don't see it as the obvious choice as some people do. Awful away from home (like us), been on runs of 8 without a win earlier in the season and 4 at this point, out the cup to a championship side. 

It's a dream scenario for a Killie legend to come in and succeed at the club, I'd love nothing more than for that to happen. But at this point I'd have concerns and there's certainly nothing that makes him the clear standout candidate as some are suggesting. 

Edited by Dieter's Heeder

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16 hours ago, dasboag said:

Not a personal dig, but there are a lot of posts like this on this forum around Gary Holt.

 

Can someone please explain the whole Gary Holt is useless/the-world-revolves-around-Martindale character theory please?

Genuine question and I mean properly explain - use 'allegedly' if you need, but so many people seem to post from a position of being  'in-the-know' and seeing it over again reads like one of those tiresome Facebook posts where everyone else chimes in with "will PM you hunni.x." in response.

 

From my viewpoint Holt had the youth at Norwich, and was successful enough to be given charge of Falkirk.  I remember his Falkirk team being praised for good football.

Then went back to Norwich as Assistant Manager (I think) with Neil, did alright, but good for the CV. Since then has been in charge of a Livi side that remind me of Killie in the early 90s - difficult to beat and can grind out results parking the bus, with a real spirit and actually better going forward than they get credit for in games where it suits them.

Seems (to me) that Holt so far has been a man who adjusts well to his environment.  He has knowledge of several tiers of Scottish football and is dyed in the wool Killie.....whats not to like?  I could picture him as our next long-term manager, as in 5-10 years in charge - regardless of whether its this summer or later.

Am I wrong?

Where in my post did I say he was useless?

My issue isn't with Holt as a candidate. I just don't think we should be reaching out to him and offering him the job without also considering others and having a proper recruitment process. I thought that was pretty obvious

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3 hours ago, theboyjohnston said:

Sarcasm not aimed at you mitch14 - appreciate you're painting the picture. To be fair, you've probably reaffirmed what most had heard about Martindale.  Whether Martindale is some sort of uber coach or not though, GH has other credible experience which would normally make him good candidate for the Killie gig.

As I said - was answering the question in the spirit it was asked. Definitely not claiming to be in the know at all or trying to suggest any of it is true. 

With the Killie connection at the credible experience you mention I would be happy with Holt as a choice. 

But I'm with @Dieter's Heeder on this too. The league table is very odd this season. If Killie, Hibs and Hearts had been functioning even to a level of bare competence/about par from the quality of squad, as I expect they will next season, I reckon that Livi side is easily bottom six. 

Motherwell, Livi and Aberdeen have really benefitted from the drop in other teams this year. If you want to be mean spirited, Holt is only a few points ahead of Alessio and Dyer sides with good recruitment and good players in guys like Dykes. Poor in the cups too. 

I've no doubt Holt would bring competence and make us hard to beat. I'm still wary about whether he'd ever bring us more than that. And whether there are better options for doing that. 

 

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10 hours ago, Skora11 said:

Pretty sure Hopkins is doing a decent job at Morton at the moment. Think he just won the manager of the month award.

On that basis I expect him to be sacked anytime now :o

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4 minutes ago, killie billies pal said:

On that basis I expect him to be sacked anytime now :o

Similarly, I keep hoping Billy Bowie will proclaim AD is the best manager in the league. 

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11 hours ago, theboyjohnston said:

So Holt is a Scottish Martin O'Neill? No wonder we shouldn't touch him with a barge pole...

Sarcasm not aimed at you mitch14 - appreciate you're painting the picture. To be fair, you've probably reaffirmed what most had heard about Martindale.  Whether Martindale is some sort of uber coach or not though, GH has other credible experience which would normally make him good candidate for the Killie gig.

It's not that uncommon for a manager to keep his distance from the squad and let his first team coach do the coaching.

This is what Ferguson did at Man Utd and it was seemingly the same to a certain extent at Killie when Clarke was here as he kept a distance from the first team.  

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Livi currently on a run of 1 win in 7 and earlier in the season went on a run of 1 win in 13 (which was against 10 men).

That form wouldn't be good enough for many fans on this forum.

 

Edited by Twonky65

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12 minutes ago, Twonky65 said:

Livi currently on a run of 1 win in 7 and earlier in the season went on a run of 1 win in 13 (which was against 10 men).

That form wouldn't be good enough for many fans on this forum.

 

Dunno, I wouldn't mind being 5th just now and in with a shout of a European place.

The fact that they had a bad run earlier in the season and recovered well enough to be in this position, makes me think they'll recover again.

They are also doing it on a fraction of the budget we have.

We on the other hand, have better players and are on a howler of a run since we last played Livi.  Relegation form in fact.

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There's nothing to say Holt would play the same way at Killie as Livi. Somone said earlier his Falkirk team played good football.

Though at the moment a more dog eared approach might suit is while we steady the ship

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