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4 minutes ago, trenwick said:

why would clubs vote for this temporary change, to effectively relegate three teams in two seasons time, if budge things this is for the better of scottish football then promote three teams fae championship & relegate hearts, oh wait this pish is only to save hearts,  if we vote for this then serious questions would need to be asked

Was bad enough when 3 teams went down when TB was manager and would not feel confident of us staying up the way the club is going at the moment too much of a risk for our club just to save a mismanaged team like Hearts

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Hearts a bit of a smokescreen here I think - obviously they are voting for self interest, but Thistle getting relagated by a point with a game in hand is horrendous. And, as it stands, them and Falkirk are going to be marooned in a league which is going to be mothballed for potentially a full season. 

I don't think we need reconstruction generally, but one way or another there's going to have to be something put in place to save teams and stop job losses. 

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Can’t they come up with something radical like the Americans use in many of their sports? Regular season > play-offs. One winner takes all game to finish the season. Every league team in Scotland starts the season with a chance to be champions. 
 

While they’re at it, limit squad sizes to 20-22 + up to 11 U21 players. You pick up injuries, tough. You have players suspended, deal with it. You bring someone in at a transfer window, somebody has to go. 

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1 hour ago, mitch14 said:

Hearts a bit of a smokescreen here I think - obviously they are voting for self interest, but Thistle getting relagated by a point with a game in hand is horrendous.

Even the juniors were better organised!  Deciding the league on point average was undeniably more fair than how the SPFL did it.

Although, if the curtailed season was decided (as fairly as possible) on point average, they'd be no chance to save the Jambos woeful on field performance off the park..

If the two teams affected weren't from Glasgow and Edinburgh - we wouldn't be having this conversation IMO.

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58 minutes ago, RAG said:

If the two teams affected weren't from Glasgow and Edinburgh - we wouldn't be having this conversation IMO.

100% - if it were Accies no one would have batted an eyelid. 

But that doesn't make it right, especially in the Thistle example, or for Kelty and Brora. 

That alongside working out how to actually have leagues next season might come together quite nicely here though if a reconstruction proposal also helped keep teams in business. 

Biggeet mistake Budge made in that proposal was the 'premiership needs hearts' line - guaranteed to make everyone furious... 

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11 minutes ago, mitch14 said:

Biggeet mistake Budge made in that proposal was the 'premiership needs hearts' line - guaranteed to make everyone furious... 

I think their biggest mistake was threatening to sue the league, then proposing the same reconstruction (pretty much) that was rejected a couple of weeks ago.

You can't do that, then claim the moral high ground.  You might find a skilled operator like Budge has held a gun to their head in a silky manner.  Accept the proposal, or they'll be no league next season for anybody - due to a big court case holding up play.

Partick on the other hand, have behaved with far more dignity.

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3 hours ago, killie1961 said:

Was bad enough when 3 teams went down when TB was manager and would not feel confident of us staying up the way the club is going at the moment too much of a risk for our club just to save a mismanaged team like Hearts

Is it any more of a risk? Just now, if you are 10th you stay up. Yes 3 teams would go down, but 10th or 11th would still keep you up

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5 minutes ago, Alasdair said:

Is it any more of a risk? Just now, if you are 10th you stay up. Yes 3 teams would go down, but 10th or 11th would still keep you up

3 from 14 OR 1 from 12, do the odds 

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Leave it as it is, yet another pathetic self serving effort by a Scottish “big” club to save their own skins. Can you imagine this being taken seriously if it was proposed by Hamilton or  Ross County?!!!!

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They should be thankful of relegation to clear the decks of utter dross that they signed over the last 12-18 months and rebuild from a much lower cost base. St Johnstone, Killie & even Ross Co have proven you don’t need to be big spenders to do well in SPL

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Problem will come after the 2 year period...around 8 teams would be relegated from the Championship to League One if the leagues reverted to the 12-10-10-10 set-up for the 2022/2023 season.

Can't see it being voted through as what is the benefit to teams in lower leagues?

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If Hearts were all for the good of Scottish football they would have presented a 12-12-10-10 setup. 
 

partick stay up, Falkirk get up etc.Hearts only losers. 

 

this 14/14/14 is for one clubs benefit and must be stopped 

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13 hours ago, RAG said:

Even the juniors were better organised!  Deciding the league on point average was undeniably more fair than how the SPFL did it.

 

It was! That's why St. Johnstone overtook Hibs

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Has to be 16, 14, 14.

You need to be looking at a season with fewer games, so try to restrict league and cups to weekends only. All divisions play home and away, ie each other twice.

A larger top division allows those with larger, full time, squads to have a few extra games to generate revenue and, of course, give TV a bigger offering in terms of games to cover. It spreads precious cash more equitably among the full time teams. We need them, as far as possible, to survive to take the professional game into the new normal as intact as possible. 

The lower divisions can have smaller squads. Fewer games eases pressure on these squads in terms of injury and, as they will mainly be part-time, eases pressure on players to manage their other job, should they be lucky enough to have one. Employers will be putting pressure on employees to consider carefully if they can afford to be taking time off to play football or recover from injury - from both angles. In general, there will be no or few full time teams in the lower leagues. Sad, but required for the game here to survive.

Also - allows Kelty and Brora to join.

Unfortunately this would mean that over time some smaller clubs would have no chance of getting to the top division. Probably no real change to be honest, and might make some of the cup early rounds less of a thrill with little genuine chance of an upset - assuming teams in the top division appear more talented. 

If we only look at what is best short term or for certain clubs we will have no professional game in Scotland worth a jot in a few short years.

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18 hours ago, Zorro said:

Can’t they come up with something radical like the Americans use in many of their sports? Regular season > play-offs. One winner takes all game to finish the season. Every league team in Scotland starts the season with a chance to be champions. 
 

While they’re at it, limit squad sizes to 20-22 + up to 11 U21 players. You pick up injuries, tough. You have players suspended, deal with it. You bring someone in at a transfer window, somebody has to go. 

Yes, it’s weird how the USA of all countries sets conditions that gives everyone a chance. 

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I get the feeling there's going to be a lot of pressure on clubs to accept this deal. Doncaster talking about clubs in the lower divisions being expelled from the league for not fulfilling their fixtures. He also mentions that the rules can't be changed, but surely if the rules can be changed for a new set-up they can be changed for extraordinary circumstances like the present one, to protect the clubs that can't afford to play behind closed doors. I would like to see more detail about what the alternatives are but it's the Daily Beano so facts are in short supply. 

As much as I hate Sevco we should have taken the opportunity to get rid of this chancer Doncaster. 

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See the so called newspaper daily Record rag has pulled out its Armageddon type of headlines , yet again....to describe not voting for this 

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I can't understand how they can even consider the format for a league season right now when we have no idea when football will be able to resume?

 

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12 minutes ago, Fankle said:

I can't understand how they can even consider the format for a league season right now when we have no idea when football will be able to resume?

 

Keeps their minds off what could really happen.

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1 hour ago, gdevoy said:

Keeps their minds off what could really happen.

100% this. Bury head in sand. 

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3 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

Yes, it’s weird how the USA of all countries sets conditions that gives everyone a chance. 

It actually happens in most other sports. Football fairly unique in not having play offs to decide champions.

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4 minutes ago, plunkit said:

It actually happens in most other sports. Football fairly unique in not having play offs to decide champions.

Do lots of these sports not have conferences. East coast/west coast or North/South then the top sides from each go into playoffs to decide a national champion. 

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11 minutes ago, piffer said:

Do lots of these sports not have conferences. East coast/west coast or North/South then the top sides from each go into playoffs to decide a national champion. 

Not necessarily. The English Rugby Premiership doesn't, the Pro14 has a degree of mixture of geography and merit involved in conferences, but all teams play each other in the league. UK Ice Hockey does it, and so on. 

 

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3 hours ago, Wrangodog said:

As much as I hate Sevco we should have taken the opportunity to get rid of this chancer Doncaster. 

While I agree that dickhead is probably the worst ever, the track record is that each new one is actually worse than the one that went before.

Who ever thought Roger Mitchell could be "worsed", for example, and now he looks like a paragon of insight and transparency

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6 hours ago, Mclean07 said:

Yes, it’s weird how the USA of all countries sets conditions that gives everyone a chance. 

Nobody gets relegated in American sports either. Its a trade off. Most of the final day action in football, is at the bottom of the table.  Best American sides dont have first pick of all the best young players, the draft counts for a lot in levelling out the leagues over there, worst teams are guaranteed first picks on best new players.  Would be interesting to see how that worked in European football. 

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