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9 minutes ago, historyman said:

What I don’t understand is if clubs can start a new season behind closed doors on 1st August why can’t they finish the old season behind closed doors from the 1st August.

As the championship season isn’t going to start until October that easily gives enough time to play the 8 or 9 games and the play offs to determine who is relegated. Just scrap the league cup for a season which I’m sure must be going to happen anyway. 

God knows ! One thing I agree with is that change to needed at the top, the sorry chapter started with the Dundee vote, and went rapidly downhill. Either way Doncaster has overseen the Mess !

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I think the only way is to play out “last season”, I don’t see Hearts getting many players to accept a two month contract to try and get them out of relegation, they already had players good enough, their tactics were ridiculous and the buck stops with Stendel. 

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31 minutes ago, historyman said:

What I don’t understand is if clubs can start a new season behind closed doors on 1st August why can’t they finish the old season behind closed doors from the 1st August.

As the championship season isn’t going to start until October that easily gives enough time to play the 8 or 9 games and the play offs to determine who is relegated. Just scrap the league cup for a season which I’m sure must be going to happen anyway. 

Think the main part was firstly deadline set by UEFA in regards to each country confirming by end of May what their plans were for season 19/20...or they would forfeit European places 

.then there was conditions that for those countries going ahead to play out fixtures there was a set date when the season must be ended by .....due to the costs involved was no way most Scottish premier league clubs could be ready to play out the games in June and July like the richer  European leagues could do ...

And to try to play out the league in August and September would result in losing the European places for season 20/21 .......imagine uproar from those Glasgow 2 if that happened , one of the reasons any legal bid will be opposed by them too 
 

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28 minutes ago, CB said:

Wasn't it because we couldn't afford to wait for the prize money dispersal? You'd be finishing the season with about half the teams that started it. Ending the league allowed the full 7 million to be paid out. 

I’m not convinced by that argument put forward by the SPFL. I’m sure they could have found a creative solution to that if they wanted to. They make the rules so they could have amended them. 

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39 minutes ago, C4mmy31 said:

If that were to happen, Hearts would just throw money at players to get them out the relegation place......

But so what? that’s what teams do every January if they need to. St Mirren last year is a perfect example. The team that finished the season bore no resemblance to the one that started it.

It was even more apparent when clubs did this to either push for a title or promotion or to try to stay up before the transfer window was introduced. 

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34 minutes ago, Scouser2 said:

Think the main part was firstly deadline set by UEFA in regards to each country confirming by end of May what their plans were for season 19/20...or they would forfeit European places 

.then there was conditions that for those countries going ahead to play out fixtures there was a set date when the season must be ended by .....due to the costs involved was no way most Scottish premier league clubs could be ready to play out the games in June and July like the richer  European leagues could do ...

And to try to play out the league in August and September would result in losing the European places for season 20/21 .......imagine uproar from those Glasgow 2 if that happened , one of the reasons any legal bid will be opposed by them too 
 

What’s the cost difference playing games behind closed doors in June and July compared to August and September? Surely it’s just the same? The SPFL should have been creative and identified hub stadiums to convert to meet the requirements and then play all the remains games there. However, they just wanted to kick the problem down the road and hoped it would go away - and if Hamilton had finished bottom it probably would have. Their whole approach to it resembled their response to Sevco going into liquidation - it’s too complicated so let’s just pretend nothing happened and we can all go back to normal. The lack of leadership and governance from the SPFL is staggering and still the clubs don’t get rid of these clowns. I honestly believe that a group of fans representatives could have come up with a range of better options. 
On the European competitions point - don’t you think these will be compromised this season anyway? I can’t see them going ahead in the normal way. It’s now mid June, they haven’t finished the competitions from last year and no draws for this years cups have been made. How on earth are they going to get last years tournaments and this years tournaments finished along with the remaining Euro qualifiers in time for the delayed Euros to take place next summer? It’s just not going to happen. 

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UEFA meeting starts tomorrow to confirm details of how current season competitions will be concluded ,  looks like mini Knock outs tournaments at one neutral venue for CL and Europa cup ties.....and also to confirm football calendar dates for next season , seems plan to start likes of Season 20/21 Europa cup and CL qualifying rounds from either late August or early  September 

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1 hour ago, Scouser2 said:

Think the main part was firstly deadline set by UEFA in regards to each country confirming by end of May what their plans were for season 19/20...or they would forfeit European places 

.then there was conditions that for those countries going ahead to play out fixtures there was a set date when the season must be ended by .....due to the costs involved was no way most Scottish premier league clubs could be ready to play out the games in June and July like the richer  European leagues could do ...

And to try to play out the league in August and September would result in losing the European places for season 20/21 .......imagine uproar from those Glasgow 2 if that happened , one of the reasons any legal bid will be opposed by them too 
 

This is a fairly good summary if why we are where we are. To just think The Jambos woul quietly accept relegation without playing all the fixtures showed a lack of vision IMO. 

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1 hour ago, C4mmy31 said:

If that were to happen, Hearts would just throw money at players to get them out the relegation place......

It's not worked great as a tactic so far in the Budge era has it?

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1 hour ago, historyman said:

What I don’t understand is if clubs can start a new season behind closed doors on 1st August why can’t they finish the old season behind closed doors from the 1st August.

As the championship season isn’t going to start until October that easily gives enough time to play the 8 or 9 games and the play offs to determine who is relegated. Just scrap the league cup for a season which I’m sure must be going to happen anyway. 

How do clubs near the bottom of the table budget for the season? Majority of players contracts expiring so do they spend money on SPFL Prem standard players or Championship players? After 7 games they then might become stuck with wages they can't afford as they were unexpectedly relegated. Some clubs i.e. Hearts may gamble and spend mega money on new players because they have the chance to stay up which would give them an unfair advantage over the rest near the bottom. Basically an extra transfer window to save their season when in reality they were s**te and deserve to go down.

Partick can certainly feel hard done by, but there is no chance the Championship could start until a later date, the what about play-offs for 2-4th in Champ and 11th in Prem? 

 

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1 hour ago, gdevoy said:

 To just think The Jambos woul quietly accept relegation without playing all the fixtures showed a lack of vision IMO. 

They voted for it. 

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Heart of Midlothian Football Club and Partick Thistle Football Club have today lodged a petition with the Court of Session to challenge the unfair and unjust decision of the SPFL to enforce relegations, to the extreme detriment of those clubs affected.

Unfortunately, Scottish football has been unable to pull together at this time of national crisis to prevent the need for this legal challenge. We desperately hoped Court action would not be necessary, but we were left with no other option.

For clarity, our petition does not seek to set aside or unravel the fee payments made to clubs, nor indeed the declaration of Champions, or the nomination of clubs who will participate in European competition.

Instead, the petition primarily seeks to reduce the unfair resolution insofar as it changed the SPFL’s rules on promotion and relegation. If that remedy is not granted by the Court, we seek, in the alternative, awards of compensation relative to the significant financial loss which the unfair relegations will visit upon us.

As matters stand, we have not asked the Court to grant an interim interdict which would prevent next Season commencing on 1 August. However, we have to reserve our right to do so in the event that becomes necessary.

We would emphasise instead that we have no wish to disrupt Scottish football but rather our aim is to have the proceedings litigated to a conclusion as quickly as possible. In that regard, the Court has today granted our motion to reduce the normal period within which the SPFL must answer our petition, to 7 days.

No further comment will be made by either Club at this time.

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/joint-club-statement

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KICK THEM OUT !! the rest of us cannot sit idly by and let this MOB  hold a gun to our heads. All because they did not like the results of these votes !

In fact replace them with the highland and lowland league teams .   

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11 minutes ago, Hawkeye the Gnu said:

As matters stand, we have not asked the Court to grant an interim interdict which would prevent next Season commencing on 1 August. However, we have to reserve our right to do so in the event that becomes necessary.

Sounds like the real reason for accepting leaguer reconstruction.  As a point of principle the SPFL should see them in court.  After 3 months of lockdown which was unfair on everyone, we could all do with some football ASAP.  If Hearts want to prevent the nations football starting cos the fallout from covid19 was 'unfair' on them - good luck to them. Global health pandemics result in 'unfair' outcomes for some, seems a fact of life. 

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3 minutes ago, RAG said:

Sounds like the real reason for accepting leaguer reconstruction.  As a point of principle the SPFL should see them in court.  After 3 months of lockdown which was unfair on everyone, we could all do with some football ASAP.  If Hearts want to prevent the nations football starting cos the fallout from covid19 was 'unfair' on them - good luck to them. Global health pandemics result in 'unfair' outcomes for some, seems a fact of life. 

If the SPFL have got any balls they should be removed as they have broken the rules of the said body

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20 minutes ago, theauldyin said:

If the SPFL have got any balls they should be removed as they have broken the rules of the said body

It's why only the SFA should run football.  Hearts couldn't take the national association to court as UEFA or FIFA would ban them.  SPFL not perfect, but they can't make decisions for 'greater good' in global health pandemics in the way an SFA ran league could do.  

This couldn't happen in the EPL and we should prevent club owners from using the courts in such a manner in future.

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1 hour ago, theauldyin said:

KICK THEM OUT !! the rest of us cannot sit idly by and let this MOB  hold a gun to our heads. All because they did not like the results of these votes !

In fact replace them with the highland and lowland league teams .   

This .....

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5648689/hearts-sfa-membership-revoked-court/

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It is becoming clear that their strategy is to delay the season In the hope someone goes bust and they retain their league place that way. 

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Hearts and Partick Thistle are claiming £10m from the SPFL should the courts rule not to overturn their relegations.

The pair lodged a petition with the Court of Session on Wednesday, with Hearts claiming £8m and Thistle £2m.

In a joint statement, they say they "have no wish to disrupt" Scottish football, but "reserve the right" to try to delay the Premiership season.

The pair had their demotions confirmed on Monday when clubs failed to support league reconstruction.

It followed a vote to curtail the term, with Hearts bottom of the Premiership and Thistle last in the Championship.

The pair said the action does not aim to "unravel the fee payments" to clubs or challenge the declaration of champions.

Their statement says their objective is "to reduce the unfair resolution insofar as it changed the SPFL's rules on promotion and relegation", and if that fails then they will seek £10m between them in compensation as an alternative remedy.

"As matters stand, we have not asked the Court to grant an interim interdict which would prevent next [Premiership] season commencing on 1 August," the statement said. "However, we have to reserve our right to do so in the event that becomes necessary.

"We would emphasise instead that we have no wish to disrupt Scottish football but rather our aim is to have the proceedings litigated to a conclusion as quickly as possible."

The SPFL now has seven days to respond to the petition, and a spokesman for the league said its solicitors are "studying this carefully".

Thistle previously said they could not afford the six-figure legal costs but an offer to fund court action led to them joining Hearts in challenging the SPFL's resolution to end the season.

The SPFL's reconstruction proposal - which would have reversed the demotions of Thistle, Hearts and Stranraer - failed after only 16 of the 42 clubs backed it.

All four senior divisions were curtailed because of coronavirus.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53080219

10 million :16:

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2 minutes ago, theauldyin said:

Hearts and Partick Thistle are claiming £10m from the SPFL should the courts rule not to overturn their relegations.

The pair lodged a petition with the Court of Session on Wednesday, with Hearts claiming £8m and Thistle £2m.

In a joint statement, they say they "have no wish to disrupt" Scottish football, but "reserve the right" to try to delay the Premiership season.

The pair had their demotions confirmed on Monday when clubs failed to support league reconstruction.

It followed a vote to curtail the term, with Hearts bottom of the Premiership and Thistle last in the Championship.

The pair said the action does not aim to "unravel the fee payments" to clubs or challenge the declaration of champions.

Their statement says their objective is "to reduce the unfair resolution insofar as it changed the SPFL's rules on promotion and relegation", and if that fails then they will seek £10m between them in compensation as an alternative remedy.

"As matters stand, we have not asked the Court to grant an interim interdict which would prevent next [Premiership] season commencing on 1 August," the statement said. "However, we have to reserve our right to do so in the event that becomes necessary.

"We would emphasise instead that we have no wish to disrupt Scottish football but rather our aim is to have the proceedings litigated to a conclusion as quickly as possible."

The SPFL now has seven days to respond to the petition, and a spokesman for the league said its solicitors are "studying this carefully".

Thistle previously said they could not afford the six-figure legal costs but an offer to fund court action led to them joining Hearts in challenging the SPFL's resolution to end the season.

The SPFL's reconstruction proposal - which would have reversed the demotions of Thistle, Hearts and Stranraer - failed after only 16 of the 42 clubs backed it.

All four senior divisions were curtailed because of coronavirus.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53080219

10 million :16:

They can f**k right off.

Didn't the jags, way back in thie mists of time, say they'd move on and work on securing the future of the club in the lower league?

I wonder what made them change their mind...

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SPFL should say they will throw them and Thistle out and will bring in Brora and Kelty in their place, see what Budge says then. 

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14 minutes ago, CB said:

Hearts and Partick Thistle are claiming £10m from the SPFL should the courts rule not to overturn their relegations.

If they LOSE the litigation they will claim £10m compensation?

That's an interesting concept!  

 

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29 minutes ago, skygod said:

If they LOSE the litigation they will claim £10m compensation?

That's an interesting concept!  

 

Am I the only one getting fed up with this nonsense?

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